The Moral Clarity of Occupy Wall Street

Here is a good article explaining the real OWS movement, not the propaganda being disseminated.

You can read more at http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011104007/whose-side-are-you-moral-clarity-occupy-wall-street

There were a couple of union guys at Occupy Huntsville today, but they were there as regular people and didn't try to push any union agenda. I was very impressed by the intelligence and sincerity of all the people. I saw no illegal immigrants nor anything objectionable at all.

 

"Moral clarity" is an opinion, and will differ from person to person. This isn't something tangible that you can measure and quantify.

These protests have become violent. The protesters have fought with the police, have blocked streets and businesses, harassed business owners who wouldn't let them camp out and use their restrooms, and much more. To call these protests "non violent" is disingenuous, especially when some have admitted that they are waiting for something like Kent State to happen, so that they could take this to another level. One even said that they hope this will be the new French Revolution.

You're right, though, that they have no organization. While one guy is ranting on about how Jews control the country and are ruining everything, someone else is protesting product testing on animals. Some want capitalism to die and socialism to take over, while others are pretending that they are living in the 60's and want free love and drugs.

This movement is nothing but a distraction from the fact that Obama's administration has been the most disastrous on record. People should be protesting Obama's attack on the private sector and the destruction he has caused with his failed policies.

 

If a few people lose their homes, or don't get a job for awhile, the entire world economy isn't going to collapse overnight.

If all our banks fail, the world economy is finished and we're back to the stone ages.

It's not that hard to figure out. It's a matter of who is most important to the economy. No individual or small group of individuals is important in the grand scheme of the global economy.

Banking and financial institutions should be reformed to allow them to fail, no one is denying that.. but calls for (*)(*)(*)(*) like Universal health care(already granted through Obamacare, a shared burden between the taxpayer and the employers of the nation in theory, but Universal none the less)

As far as student debt goes. That is not going to just go away or be forgiven. What are you going to tell next years class? "Too bad kids you have to pay more because the brats before you managed to intimidate society into a free scholarship"?

Jobs? Pff.. Nothing the Government can do will create jobs for college kids. The Government will give jobs to lower educated workers, construction workers and road crews and other union cronies. They aren't going to be able to do (*)(*)(*)(*) for college kids.

 

Liberals have already shown that they really, really don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what the next generation will have to deal with. Look at the debt they have racked up in such a short period of time. Their grandchildren's grandchildren will be paying this off.

The only issue they seem concerned about, as it relates the next generation, is global warming. On all other matters, they are the party of immediate gratification and no, absolutely no, consequences.

 

No one is confused about the message, despite the claims of 'propaganda'. What's up with this nonsense about disinformation? Everyone knows what these protests are about.

These are "students sinking under student debt with no jobs, homeowners who are underwater and can't find mortgage relief, workers desperate for work" demanding a handout.

We can agree that banks should not have been bailed out. Heck, does no one remember the tea party. Good lord. Where were these people when the tea party was protesting the bank bailouts?

What separates us is we also feel failing states, union pensions, individuals with underwater mortgages and student loans should not receive a bailout either.

As far as I am concerned, they can go pound sand. They'll vote for the candidate wall street backs in 2012 anyway, Obama. So they aren't even against wall street. They just want handouts. They are beggars and looters.

 

LOL. Showing someone that doesn't have idea about what is it. This movement started the 15th of May in Spain.

There is organization, what is there no vertical, nor authoritarian nor centralized organization. So there are thousand of different groups ralling all together, for a same goal, no more financial attack to the people.

 

I think that you could be a good reporter for New York Daily News, you should contact them, or also to Fox News.

You're even not original, you're saying exactly the same desinformed crap that the right has been saying in Spain about the 15M. It is the same. You're saying the same, and it was funny, because later for example in the rallies of yesterday in Spain there was a lot of people over 40-50 years old. But yeah, it is a movement of beggars, students and looters... yeah. Also they have epidemic diseases, they are like zombies and eat live animals to survive.

 

Your examples are hilarious.
The banks failed and got big money. The ONLY response there is is your mealy-mouthed statement "Banking and financial institutions should be reformed to allow them to fail, no one is denying that", while the you and the RIght simultaneously argue they should be allowed to do what they like with less or no oversight!

The Right goes to court and fights to the death over ending obamacare, but they haven't lifted a finger to end bank bailouts. Where is the legislation to ban that? Nothing, there is nothing.

When the time came for the TARP, it was passed in a week. The Fed laon windows remain WIDE open at ZERO percent interest, while the banks loan money at 25% if they bother at all.

For instance, certainly if, to rescue banks we can loan banks money at zero interest, why not rescue citizens by making college loans go to zero interest?

The financial elite GET THE GOVERNMENT MONEY whenever needed RIGHT NOW. But the Right ALWAYS spouts a "moral risk" when PEOPLE need help.

It is utter BS.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) looks silly and pitiful to me. I saw a one-man protest on Friday holding a sign that said, "We are the 99%." And I just wanted to ask him where the other 98 were.

 

I'm suprised the right wing hasn't endorsed the people protesting against corporate bailouts. Oh wait no I'm not because those protesters are from the left not the right. Partisan bull (*)(*)(*)(*) yet again, but hey what can you expect.

 

We're not going to make common cause with marxists, no matter how much overlap there might be on a few issues.

 

Got to have enemies right? God forbid you actually agree with them on something. I hear they like cats, you'd better go get a dog.

 

For someone who is always promoting social Darwinism, it's hilarious to see you promoting corporate welfare.

The right-wingers are always going on about the need for a new Civil War, and the breakup of the US since they can't get along with their fellow countrymen, but now you're whining because some corporations (probably the same ones that throw you a few table scraps) are under attack.

I say that if the right-wingers want to throw individuals under the bus with healthcare, education and welfare, let's go whole hog and throw anyone who isn't able to make it without government help under the bus, including banks, corporations and subsidized farmers, and just destroy the whole god (*)(*)(*)(*)ed village. At least that's fair.
Enough of trying to fix things on the backs of the poorest and weakest while the well off seal themselves ever tighter in their gated communities and stock portfolios.
Then we can all go back to the jungle together and start again.

Funny how the Darwinist solution suddenly doesn't seem so hot when you're the one that's getting the shaft, eh?
I suspect that there won't be any need for hotel clerks in that brave new world, so let's hope that you have some basic skills that are actually worth something.

Your essential mistake is in thinking that the needs of the powerful outweigh the needs of the powerless.
That's the sort of thinking that has gotten us to where we are today.
And it's unsustainable because you can only oppress and neglect the individual so much before society, which is nothing more than a collection of individuals sharing the same benefits and burdens, collapses under the weight of such selfish thinking.

If you people spent less time whining about the undeserving poor and focused on how to help everyone in society fairly and intelligently, the structural economic and debilitating social problems would begin to resolve themselves.

 

It's not like the poor pay income taxes, so how is any bailout of the banks "on the backs of the poor"?

The portion of the "middle class" that pays income taxes is so small now that its a joke.

Don't give me that crap about how banks were bailed out at the expense of "the poor" because they don't pay (*)(*)(*)(*)ing income taxes and have zero skin in the game. You don't pay income taxes, you shouldn't complain.

 

I don't see them extending any olive branches either. Works both ways.

 

That certainly can be said of the anti-Capitalist moonbats in Camp ANSWERnik:

 

You really don't know much about economics, do you?
There is a finite amount of money.
When we squander it paying for pointless wars, bailing out corporate types or giving large tax cuts to the rich, there is less to go around for education, healthcare, infrastructure developments and welfare.

 

LIar!!!

The poors and middle class if that exist, are the ones that pay the taxes. The wealth people have so many ways to evade the taxes, hey legally. But illegally they have many others The burden of the taxes is in the lower and middle classes, not in the rich.

 

LOL - That article is propaganda.

Welcome to the "moral clarity" of Commify Wall Street:

74 Arrested as Protesters 'Occupy' Times Square
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204002304576633542169585716.html

Who knows? Maybe we're witnessing the birth of the Neo-Comintern...




You can read more at http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011104007/whose-side-are-you-moral-clarity-occupy-wall-street

There were a couple of union guys at Occupy Huntsville today, but they were there as regular people and didn't try to push any union agenda. I was very impressed by the intelligence and sincerity of all the people. I saw no illegal immigrants nor anything objectionable at all.[/QUOTE]

 

How do poor people who don't have jobs, a home, etc. pay taxes? Especially, income taxes or property taxes...

I mean, is the government charging slackers/"wanta be communists" taxes for pooping on cars now???

 

I was no fan of the bailouts, but I don't see how they were "on the backs" of anyone, much less the poor who don't pay income taxes:

 

Oh, in case anyone is wondering who is behind the propaganda piece in the opening post:

Go figure...

 

This reeks of exactly the cronyism of what Obama admin did with Solyndra, they rigged it so the investors wouldn't lose a dime, and that tax payers are out more than a half billion dollars.

Then, he has Jeffery Immelt sitting next to Michelle as his job czar, who has shipped 10's of thousands of jobs to China, and paid zero income tax.

The ultimate hypocrisy coming straight from the president who says he supports the OWS. If any of you liberals would find the cajones to stand up for what is right, conservatives would have a much greater respect for you.

The democrats had three years of total control, and didn't do (*)(*)(*)(*) to change this nightmare. The Tea Party and OWS can if we all sing the same page and oust these losers that make the rules that continue (*)(*)(*)(*ing) over American citizens.

 

Their website: http://www.ourfuture.org/

Chock full of mind numbing leftist lies and spin...a veritable talking point factory of anti-conservative narratives.

 

Anyone still wondering why the anti-Capitalist moonbats in Camp ANSWERnik aren't protesting in DC?