The Moral Clarity of Occupy Wall Street

exactly right. you would think the normal common sense democrats would see this anti-American bull(*)(*)(*)(*), but they don't.

the photo below shows a V mask being worn, which is prolific throughout this movement. the group anonymous wears this mask as their trade mark, and they advocate the destruction of America.

 

Pipe dream.....

There is a fundamental ideological divide between the Tea Parties and the "Occupiers".....

namely, Tea Party folks are critical of the actual culprit... demanding accountability, ethics, fiscal responsibility, and less meddling from what is supposed to be a constitutionally limited federal government.

Overwhelmingly, "Occupiers" demand private sector individuals exhibit a "moral obligation" to the collective, and are loathe to criticize the only entity with the power to deliver and enforce their confiscatory/redistributive social, economic and environmental "justice" agenda....an authoritarian, all encompassing, all knowing central government.

 

Yep, you are right, it was a dream that even though I can have socio-ideological differences with liberals, I was hoping for some common sense to prevail, but you are right, that ain't gonna happen. I will wake up now

 

Another thing we've sen at these protests is the ubiquitous presence of ANSWER Coalition signs. Here's a little background on ANSWER as well as a link to their website (promoting OWS, of course):

Meet the ANSWERniks:

ANSWER Coalition
http://www.answercoalition.org/national/index.html

 

You are posting progressive propaganda.


"The Campaign for America’s Future is the strategy center for the progressive movement"

http://www.ourfuture.org/about


www.DiscoverTheNetwork.org Date: 10/16/2011 7:53:05 AM

CAMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE (CAF)
1825 K Street, NW - Suite 400
Washington, DC
20006
Phone :202-955-5665
URL :http://home.ourfuture.org/


Progressive organization that supports increased taxes to pay for an ever-growing number of social welfare programs

Has received funding from George Soros



Working to "revitalize a progressive agenda" and to “expose the conservative agenda that has made things worse,” Campaign for America’s Future (CAF) is a 501(c)(4) non-profit organization that supports tax hikes, socialized medicine, and a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs. UndueInfluence.com describes CAF as a "labor-dominated lobbying and electoral network heavily influenced by progressive plutocrats and secret donors working on anti-corporate, anti-military, welfare-state, and other 'progressive' programs."

CAF was co-founded in 1996 chiefly by: (a) Robert Borosage, who previously served as Director of the Institute for Policy Studies and founded the Progressive Majority political action committee; and (b) Roger Hickey, who co-founded the Economic Policy Institute and was the Media Director for the National Center for Economic Alternatives. (Borosage and Hickey also co-founded CAF's sister organization, Institute for America's Future or IAF, in 1999.) All told, some 130 people played a role in founding CAF. Among the other notables were Mary Frances Berry, Julian Bond, Heather Booth, Robert Borosage, John Cavanagh, Richard Cloward, Peter Dreier, Barbara Ehrenreich, Betty Friedan, Todd Gitlin, Tom Hayden, Denis Hayes, Roger Hickey, Patricia Ireland, Jesse Jackson, Joseph Lowery, Frances Fox Piven, Robert Reich, Mark Ritchie, Arlie Schardt, Susan Shaer, Andrew Stern, John Sweeney, and Richard Trumka.

CAF (in conjunction with IAF) focuses its efforts on the following major issues and projects:

(a) Healthcare for All: “47 million Americans remain uninsured and millions of families are plunged into bankruptcy when serious illness strikes. Everyone in America deserves high quality, affordable health insurance. That’s why [CAF] is launching a national effort to discuss and debate progressive solutions to the [challenge] of covering all Americans.”

(b) Revitalizing Education: While criticizing the Bush Administration’s “No Child Left Behind Act” of 2001, CAF supports an across-the-board increase in federal funding for public education. Specifically, the organization calls for "universal pre-school care [including] health and nutritional programs in addition to traditional academic development activities”; “the expansion of Head Start to all qualified applicants”; “immediate increases in federal school construction and maintenance funds”; “a student-teacher ratio of 15 to 1”; higher pay for new teachers and for “skilled/experienced teachers … working in disadvantaged areas”; “universal access to after-school programs [which] will require increased investment at the local, state and national level”; and more "grants and subsidized loans" for higher education.

(c) Protecting Social Security: CAF seeks to “educate the public about Social Security and the pitfalls of privatization.”

(d) Accountable Congress: In 2005, CAF purchased television airtime to broadcast commercials demanding the removal of then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for ethics violations. The ads solicited donations of up to $2,500. Says CAF: "Tom DeLay is finally gone, and we're not stopping there. We're turning our guns on DeLay's successors—with the same unapologetic and sustained campaigns to expose their corruption and make them accountable to their constituents."

(e) Straight Talk: CAF produces both online and print media “designed to serve up ammunition to progressives who have the opportunity to challenge the grip that the right has had on our imaginations and our policies over the past quarter century.”

(f) Energy Independence: CAF helped create the Apollo Alliance, a coalition of labor, environmental, and social justice groups professing a commitment to the development of “good jobs and energy independence.” United by their belief that America is a chief source of worldwide “environmental disruption, rising social inequity, and … fundamentalist anger,” Apollo Alliance’s endorsing organizations and partners include Greenpeace, the League of Conservation Voters, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the National Wildlife Federation, the Rainforest Action Network, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, and ACORN. Apollo Alliance’s National Steering Committee and National Advisory Board members include, among others, Robert Borosage, Carl Pope of the Sierra Club, Julian Bond of the NAACP, Gerry Hudson of the Service Employees International Union, and U.S. Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. Apollo Alliance has also received strong support from the socialist Senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, and from New York Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

(g) Each year, CAF holds a “Take Back America” conference, which the organization describes as “a catalyst for building the infrastructure to ensure that the voice of the progressive majority is heard.” In 2005, prominent speakers at this conference included Howard Dean, Antonio Villaraigosa, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, Arianna Huffington, and Bill Moyers. CAF credits “Take Back America 2006” with helping to secure progressive wins in that year's midterm congressional elections. Participants in the 2006 event included John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Ehrenreich, Jan Schakowsky, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, and AFL-CIO President John Sweeney. Topping the agenda for CAF’s “Take Back America 2007” event were the issues of “affordable education and health care for all”; “the right to join a union”; and “pushing for a vote to get U.S. troops out of the middle of the civil war in Iraq.”

In the 2004 presidential election, CAF partnered with both the Democratic Party and a number of far-left special interest groups in a campaign to oppose tax cuts. The Democratic National Committee stated, “The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, Campaign for America's Future, and dozens of other groups representing millions of Americans to organize a massive public mobilization … [J]oin us by calling and emailing your representatives in Congress to let them know that the majority of Americans oppose more irresponsible tax cuts ...”

CAF also endorsed “Invest in America,” an anti-tax-cut statement supported by: ACORN; Alliance For Justice; the American Friends Service Committee; the Center for Community Change; the Center For Women's Policy Studies; the Children’s Defense Fund; the Democratic Socialists of America; the Environmental Working Group; the League of United Latin American Citizens; the League of Women Voters; the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund; the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy; the National Council of La Raza; the National Lawyers Guild; the National Organization for Women; the National Women's Law Center; the Older Women's League; Peace Action; Physicians for Social Responsibility; Planned Parenthood; Public Citizen; the Service Employees International Union; the United States Student Association; Veterans For Peace; and Women’s Action for New Directions.

A notable Senior Fellow for CAF is Rick Perlstein, a political commentator for the Village Voice.

CAF has received funding from George Soros, the Agnes Gund Foundation, the Arca Foundation, and the Rockefeller Family Fund.

In March 2008, CAF presented its Lifetime Leadership Award to Norman Lear, recognizing him “for his work as both a groundbreaking television producer and an outspoken progressive activist and benefactor”; for “fighting the rising influence of the religious right in American politics”; and for founding People for the American Way, “an organization that has been a staunch critic of the right and a fierce defender of the principle that progressive Americans must have their faith and their patriotism acknowledged and respected.” CAF also honored Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky “for her advocacy in Congress.”

At its March 2008 “Take Back America” conference in Washington, DC, CAF joined six fellow leftist organizations in announcing plans for “the most expensive [$350 million] mobilization in history this election season” -- an initiative that focused on voter registration, education, and get-out-the-vote drives. The other members of CAF’s coalition included MoveOn.org, Rock the Vote, ACORN, the National Council of La Raza, the Women's Voices Women Vote Action Fund, and the AFL-CIO.

In June 2010, CAF held an “America’s Future Now” conference in Washington, DC, which featured such guest speakers as Andrew Stern, Arianna Huffington, Van Jones, and Nancy Pelosi. Sponsors and partners for the event included the National Education Association Foundation and the AFL-CIO.

CAF's board of directors includes MoveOn.org president Eli Pariser and NAACP Washington bureau director Hilary Shelton.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7331




So, are you a propaganda-spreading progressive or a libertarian who has been fooled into believing OWS isn't progressive astro-turfing?


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The whole thing is an example of controlled opposition. It troubles me. Adbusters, the guys who initially organized it, are funded by the Tides Foundation, which is funded by George Soros. MoveOn.org is also funded by Soros. ACORN is involved. And not only the unions, but many Socialist and Communist political parties as well. These organizers all have one common goal: the prevention of true banking reform. Obviously many of the protesters are calling for the death of capitalism but they do not realize that capitalism has been dead in this country for almost a century (most of them probably don’t even know why they’re protesting). Controlled opposition always happens with large popular movements like this.

 

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They. Are. Not. All. Marxsts. I. Am. Not. A. Marxist. How the heck can I make it any plainer? GEEZ!

The corruption is a big issue that affects many. Who. Are. Not. Marxists.

 

"MORAL" There is nothing "MORAL" about these protests.

"MORAL" were the people in the TEA PARTY.

Here is just a couple headlines today on theblaze.com

American Nazi Party Endorses Occupy Wall Street‘s ’Courage,‘ Tells Members to Support Protests and Fight ’Judeo-Capitalist Banksters’

Occupy Portland Protesters Sing ‘F*** the U.S.A.’US

‘This Is Not About Obama, This Is About My Mama!’: Al Sharpton Leads ‘Jobs and Justice’ March in DC

Obama Will Use Anti-Wall Street Anger Against GOP in ‘Central Tenet’ of 2012 Campaign


‘I’m a Customer!’: Wild Video as NYC Cops Arrest Dozens for Trespassing at Citibank


Occupy Sesame Street!’: Elmo & Friends Go Muppet Nuts to Heckle Speech by Rupert Murdoch


College Professor Offers Students Extra Credit for Attending Occupy Protest

Smashed Windows and Torched Cars: Occupy Protests Turn Violent in Rome


Florida Hotel Fires Worker for Wearing American Flag Pin

Leftist Rev. Jim Wallis Praises Occupiers as Inspirational ‘Citizen Economists’

‘We Can Not Sleep Through the Revolution’: Al Sharpton Tells Black Community to Join the Revolution Because Those Kids on Wall Street Are Right About Redistributing the Wealth


AND OF COURSE THERE IS THIS:

Obama Deploys 100 U.S. Combat Troops to Aid Africa Anti-Insurgency

AND THIS:

Soros Calls on Eurozone Legislatures to Form a Common Treasury


This is going to end badly...dangerous times.

 

Then clean your ranks! The OWS should clean their ranks just as the TP did from the fringe nutters.

You have been used as patsy posting your OP by the likes of those that are blatant open anti-American. Read my previous post about singing on the same page, and decide what side you really are on. The universal message should be going straight to Obama and the rest of the politicos that continue (*)(*)(*)(*)ing over Americans. Wall street plays within the rules, Washington makes the rules, you decide who to blame.

 

Hahaha. Now that was funny.

 

Most of the people there are clueless college kids. The leaders and the message is Marxist.

Why aren't they protesting Goldman Sachs, Obama, Geithner, Ben Bernanke in front of the WH???




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My God man, do you want the super state apparatus erased and the end to the BS system, or not? Neither "side" can do (*)(*)(*)(*) against the status quo as long as they remain a "side". Any and all "free riders" won't control (*)(*)(*)(*) in the end. Only productive people can garner results. I don't care if I have to walk hand-in-hand with 200 million national Marxists if they help me bring down the global regime. We know who will write policy in the end. And quite frankly, I would be surprised if there were 2 million people in America who have ever truly read Marx. Those for and against him. The guy's understanding of business was a joke. Fret not. Get our sovereignty back. Hanging traitors is all that matters.

 

What a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). There will always, and I mean always be someone at the top of the heap. Who do you think will run your global utopia, some fringe hippy cult? Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not my idea of success, so stop being so stupid.

The TP is about personal responsibility and fiscal accountability, something people like you are not. You have been brainwashed into believing the collective will be your savior, but as history has shown, you are dead wrong, and I can emphasis the term dead, because that is how the collective ends up.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) a global utopia. You are so full of it you can't even read someone's post. It is those "at the top" planning their own "global utopia". You think America's problems are an accident? 5000 unfortunate circumstances in a row? Worse and worse no matter who is elected? It is called globalism. Globalists are anti-nations. You can't have globalists in charge of a nation then wonder why that nation suffers. It is like putting your dog in charge of your cat. And if it takes me working with nationalist left to get this country back in the people's hands, so be it. I would take a nationalist leftist or a globalized capitalist any day of the week. And I, as a nationalist capitalist, know who will write policy at the end of the day.

 

Why aren't they protesting the corruptive influence of Big Labor's money on our political system???

Obviously, the protests aren't about money and politics - they're about something else entirely...

 

Yeah, they're about a whole bunch of people who should be working have nothing better to do. I don't know anybody with a job going to a tea party or an OWS protest. Put in protectionism, or all have seen nothing yet.

 

My dog loves my cat, so stop the bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Tell me one single time in all of human history when everything was in the hands of the population?

Our representative republic is not a perfect system by any means, but it is better than all the rest. You stop allowing citizens to elect those that run the show, and you can start flushing everything you treasure down the toilet, because we will end up like China or Cuba in the end, everyone poor with no middle class.

 

Our 1st revolution was over taxation without representation. No one was starving. Such will be the nature of the 2nd. I don't know anyone, right or left, who feels represented in America. Only globalized interests, left or right, are represented. The great majority of Americans are nationalists, as they don't have the means to gain from globalism. Be weary of them figuring this out, and who their common enemy is.

 

Employing the full force of an authoritarian central government to MANDATE and ENFORCE the utopian myth of social and economic "justice"....independent of natural market forces and inherent, self protective/self interest qualities of human nature.

 

There wasn't 7 billion humans on the planet in the 16th century. Globalization is here to stay, and for us to remain autonomous and strong, we need to hold our representatives accountable and oust those who don't want or resist accountability.

As I said, we don't have a perfect system, but it is far better than the rest.

 

Market forces dictate legislation. The FED is a private entity, and more powerful than the central government. You can't have crony capitalism without market socialists on the inside.

Crony capitalism: Using influence in the state to gain favoritism from the state.
Market socialism: Allowing market forces to dictate redistribution.

One is big business.
The other big government.

The two combined are the definition of fascism on a national level, globalism on a world wide scale.

You all need to open your eyes.

 

How on earth can you advocate personal responsibility and individualism on a human scale, then turn around and advocate collectivism and redistribution when the topic is nations on a global scale? If I have learned anything on this forum, it is that no one has any consistency to their belief system whatsoever.

 

Wow, you just exposed what the TEA Party is all about, accountability, imagine that. It is you who need to open your eyes, as I said, what do you hope to gain by throwing the baby out with the bath water? Are you planning on bringing those Wall Street execs to the street and shooting them in the head, is that your answer?

The rule making starts at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I suggest we start there.

 

When did I say the collective? We are a autonomous nation that does business with the rest of the planet, are you suggesting we stop doing that?

Again, we have a cancer that originates in Washington DC, and we can do something about that. You wouldn't cut off your leg if you found a tumor in your arm. They make the rules, and we need to change the rules, problem solved.