The most common argument I've heard against gay marriage...

A "platonic marriage" is an oxymoron. The reason that some people are against legalizing same-sex marriage, is because they believe that homosexuality is immoral.

 

How about punishing adultery and fornication?

How about denying marriage certificates to heterosexuals unless they can verify they are virgins?

How about not allowing divorced people to remarry?

No, I didn't think you would go along with legislating away any straight person's right to do whatever the heck they wanted.

Opposition to gay marriage has only worked as long as it has because gays who are out only make up a small percentage of the population.

 

Oh and don't forget Disney. All of those gays creating cartoons and running Disneyland and Disneyworld.

You know no straight man created a character like Tinkerbell. LOL

 

Platonic marriage is. to an oxymoron, and happens quite frequently. What someone finds immoral is irrelevant to anyone other than them. If you feel same sex marriage is wrong, you have a valid constitutional right to NOT get married to someone of the same sex. You don't get to tell others they can't though.

 

But why are people against platonic marriages? The Bible only says that homosexuality is immoral and sinful. A platonic marriage, by definition, is not a gay marriage.

 

No its not. Platonic describes the relationship. Marriage defines the legal arrangement. There have always been "marriages of convenience" vs. romantic and therefor platonic in nature

 

Christians (including me) are against gay marriage being legalized, because homosexuality is immoral. I am against the legalization of gay marriage for the same reason that AveMariaGratiaPlena is against it-for moral reasons. However, I don't understand why Christians would be against two platonic friends getting married.

 

Your religious morality has no place in the discussion of a civil matter in a secular society where many if not most people do not share your values ( you might have heard, many Christians would not agree with you on homosexuality) . You live and belive as you see fit and let others do the same. Why can't you get that. Religious freedom does not extend to controlling others lives .

 

Clearly you don't know very many married people........

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Where does it say in the bible that marriage between two lesbians is immoral?

Are you also against Divorce and remarriage for the same reasons?

 

Romans 1 says that homosexuality is morally wrong.

 

We really don't care. Can you get that? Somewhere in your bible, there is a prohibition against divorce as well. Why don't you rail against that and work to have it outlawed?

 

Says you. Most of the rest of the US does not agree with you.

Your morals are not shared by most other people. What other people do does not harm your morals. You are free to adhere to whatever morals you see fit. You are not free to tell others they have to live by your moral code.

 

Christians are not universally opposed to same-sex marriage, and I don't recognize you as having any authority whatsoever to determine who is or isn't a "true Christian".

You have declared that homosexuality is immoral, but have not explained why you regard it as immoral apart from claiming that the Bible says so. As a non-believer, I do not regard the Bible as having any authority over what is or isn't moral. Nor do I recognize Christians as having any sort of authority to dictate to others what they must consider to be moral or immoral.

In sum, your statement can be easily inferred to mean that you believe Christians should control other people's lives by imposing their religious beliefs on them through the tool of law that governs believers and non-believers alike.

That is wholly unacceptable.

 

It's beyond unacceptable- it's anti-American. This is the United States of America. We are not a theocracy, we are the land of the free- and that means freedom for everyone. No religion makes the rules here- that's what happens in places like Russia and the Middle East. And I do not want to live in either of those places. Perhaps Sam's Ego does. I'll gladly pay for his passport and a one way plane ticket to whichever place satisfies his need to control others through his religion.

 

I wasn't arguing with the rates you were presenting, I was agreeing with you and remarking about how similar they are across regions. I really don't care how big or small the the population itself is measured to be, but the fact that it is measured consistently across geographical regions with various degrees of acceptance of gives us some insight on the "risks" and causes. The population is substantially the same even in countries decades ahead of the USA in terms of tolerance. Apparently acceptance doesn't necessarily lead to a greater portion of the population "choosing" to be gay, for example, nor does rejection reduce the rate.

 

Don't be shy- don't hesitate to quote the Bible

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Now, I just read words, but appears to me that God punished these unbelievers with 'unnatural thoughts', including male homsexuality- don't see where God condemns female homosexuality here.

But God does appear to be equating the sins of homosexuality with not respecting your parents, and Paul seems to be pointing out here rather approvingly that God decrees death for all of these things.

Do you agree with Paul that death is the appropriate punishment for disrespecting your parents?

 

Oh and I am certain that i am not the only one that finds Paul to be a rather pompous windbag.

The words of Jesus are very different- both harsher and more loving than Paul.

 

Spot on. Furthermore, people are basing their anti-homosexual bigotry on translations of the bible, which often fail to capture what was even written.

 

It's apparent that we are not going to convince you that your religious argument against homosexuality and gay marriage is ridiculous and inappropriate. So I have a suggestion. The next time a same sex marriage case comes before a court, any court-anywhere- file a friend of the court brief citing Romans 1 as the reason for your opposition. Then see how long it takes for the judge..... and everyone else in the room to STOP

 

the only scripture I quote in my arguments against homos..... economics 1:01

 

What does economics have to do with gay marriage?

 

Yup...I got mine, screw everyone else. That's what makes America great

 

just because you don't like what you hear, doesn't make it go away....

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no more selfish than your "I want what you have, so I'll legislate it away from you" attitude.

 

So you don't know what it has to do with economics then? you were just posting your usual ignorance and bigotry?

 

I wasn't referring to you.