The NRA playbook - how to sell a massacre

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  1. Bowerbird

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    An undercover investigation by Al Jazeera has uncovered the NRA “playbook” and unsurprisingly you can see it posted on this forum

    Game 1
    Game 2 - and this explains why there are so many of these stories and the “he defended himself with a gun” stories that are weirdly absent outside of America

    Game 3
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html

    On the video they also talk of eroding the gun laws - you know the very thing that is blamed on “the right” that they would use the “thin edge of the wedge”.

    What has me so annoyed is that although it has been very obvious for years that the NRA have been running a very successful ad campaign around guns, what annoys me is that so many have swallowed it hook line and sinker
     
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    Is such any different from the standard tactics utilized by any other political advocacy group that tries to sell the public on their specific narrative?

    Should we discuss the failures of law enforcement at all levels that allowed the Parkland shooting to take place? The FBI was informed about the threats made by Nikolas Cruz to commit a school shooting, but it refused to investigate the matter. Such cannot be attributed as the fault of the NRA, since it did nothing to inhibit the ability of the FBI to investigate terrorist threats. Nor did the NRA do anything to prevent Nikolas Cruz from being arrested by local-level law enforcement when he threatened his family members with a firearm, or was discharging a firearm for the purpose of shooting animals in the neighborhood.

    If one is going to supply blame, then one should at least make sure the blame is being assigned to the correct and appropriate target. Otherwise it is nothing more than mass hysteria and looking for someone to blame simply to make others feel better about themselves in the process.
     
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    It is obvious that the gun control activists are more about hating the NRA's political power than really worrying about armed criminals causing harm with firearms. That is why the gun control movement is essentially part of the the Democrat party in the USA and the leftwing socialist movement, internationally
     
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    Other people are not causing thousands of deaths as a fall out. If this were a hospital operating this way would you accept it?
     
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    bought into the narrative
     
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    I have no idea what that means or how it is relevant to my point that the NRA hate is based on politics.
     
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    Sounds like the same political strategy used by every group that has an agenda.
     
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    Nor is the NRA. They do not have the ability, nor authority, to dictate how firearm-related restrictions are or are not enforced. They cannot do anything but lobby for political changes in the form of passages of certain laws, repeals of others, and the election of certain candidates. Lobbying does not translate into incompetence on the part of those whose sole obligation is to see to the enforcement of laws, such as the laws against making terroristic threats.

    Considering the annual number of deaths attributed to medical malpractice, it is indeed accepted. In the united states alone, at least one quarter of a million die due to medical malpractice every single year. The only causes of death higher than that are heart disease and cancer. And yet nothing is being done about this problem. In the nation of Australia it is at least eighteen thousand malpractice deaths each year. In the nation of England it is over twenty two thousand deaths due to medical malpractice.
     
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    Meh, guns were never an issue until progressives started attacking our second amendment rights. Now that one organization fights against the authoritarians they use Alinsky tactics to attack it and try and isolate it.
     
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    LOL, in the US more people die from doctors mistakes than guns by something like 4 times the amount. Bad analogy.
     
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    I am beginning to think you living in Australia are jealous of the freedom we living in the US are granted by our constitution.
    Perhaps Australia would dramatically lower their standards for citizenship and allow those here who fear guns to enjoy the benefits of your beautiful country on a permanent basis.
     
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    You would think Australians would be more concerned with stopping their exporting of murder and hate to their neighbors than anything that might be happening in the US.
     
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    So have you; just a different narrative.

    Before you congratulate yourself much more on being so much more enlightened than those of us who support the entire Bill of Rights, please remember that every attempt to alter human behavior by manipulating inanimate objects has failed dismally and your War on Firearms will be no different.

    For example, the most extensive mass killing to date in America was committed not with one of those scary black rifles but by a simple $1.00 worth of gasoline(1) readily available to anyone with no background check.

    Meanwhile, the deadliest school mass killing, too, was not committed with a firearm but with a simple home made bomb.(2)

    As inconvenient as it may be for your own narrative is the simple fact that a determined killer will kill with or without a firearm.

    America doesn't have a "gun problem", America has a violence problem which can only be addressed by enforcing our existing laws and making mental health more accessible and more affordable.
    Gun violence is a symptom.
    Violence is the disease that needs treating.



    (1) "Happy Land fire"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline. He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.

    Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


    (2) "The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre"

    "Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

    EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED
     
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    My god!!! They're planning how to put out their message most effectively!!!!!! Those absolute FIENDS!!!!
     
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    And the American right is swallowing it hook line and sinker

    You can even see it in the replies on this thread. The NRA memes and myths have been highly successful and, like Trumpism, defy logic and rationality
     
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    Guess where he took his inspiration from, and it was not AUSTRALIAN politics!
     
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    What?

    Pointing out that the knee jerk policies demanded won't fix anything they're complaining of is a cogent argument.
    Pointing out that people could often use a tool to defend themselves with from predation is also a cogent argument.
    Pointing out places where carrying a weapon for self defense is barred, even in the home (such as the UK or NZ. Carrying any weapon to defend yourself with is barred. If you HAPPEN to otherwise come into contact with a weapon after having been cornered after you fled your assailant, THEN you can use it. And only if you feel bad after) is also a cogent argument.

    Don't like it? Well... yeah. It shows how foolish your arguments are, of course you don't like it.
     
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    If the message of the NRA is not popular in the nation of Australia, then it ultimately does not matter who supports it as a campaign position. The only reason to object to someone attempting such a course of action, would be out of concern for the possibility that the public may actually accept the message of the NRA, and elect such an individual to office. If such occurs, then it is ultimately the will of the people that such occurs.
     
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    What I find humorous is that the anti-NRA Crowd have some idea that gun owners take their lead and narrative from the NRA. It shows what most gun owners already know; the anti crowd have no idea what the NRA is...it leads no one, but represents the cumulative knowledge and views of its members.
    What I find further humorous is the deliberate lies (many recorded in interviews and caught on hidden camera) concealing the agenda the Left’s candidates, few of which have any actual knowledge of fire arms, yet accept that as somehow ok...
     
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    If people would take a few minutes of time to study the history of the NRA, they would discover prior to 1975 the NRA didn't involve itself in politics, however after the passage of the Gun Control Act, membership began pushing the NRA to get involved in politics, the NRA pushed back not wanting to get involved in such.

    Then in 1977, at the annual meeting, membership made it very clear if leadership didn't get involved in politics, membership would replace the current leadership with new board members who would fight to protect our rights, this became known as the Cincinnati Revolution and forced the NRA to form the ILA and get involved in politics.

    As such anyone who believes the NRA is leading it's members with propaganda is totally misinformed as to how the NRA actually is being run and is falling for a false media driven narrative.

    The NRA is not the firearm industries lobby, that is the NSSF, the NRA is actually a lobby for law abiding firearm owners and will continue to remain as such or membership will shakeup the board of directors and once again force the NRA/ILA to remain a lobby of law abiding firearm owners, media understands this and the core anti-gunners understand this, which is why they so strongly attack the NRA with false narratives and outright lies.

    They know they need to get the NRA out of their way to complete their ultimate goal of the total disarmament of law abiding firearm owners.
     
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    The NRA is outspent by the opposition 20 times. They are not successful as gun rights have eroded over time. Here in Los Angeles, Liberals have obliterated second amendment rights for good people. With the exception of law enforcement, only politicians, judges, and gang members carry guns here. The NRA will never be enough to fight the misleading propaganda being used to disarm good people.
     
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    I find it funny how the anti-gunners get upset and howl like banshees when the pro-gunners use the anti's tactics against them.
     
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    Why do “good people” in America need to be armed when good people elsewhere in the world do not?
     
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    Because no one here who matters gives a **** how you do it anywhere but here.

    Additionally: good people elsewhere do require it and are abused by its lack daily.
     
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    Because we prefer to not be victims and dependent upon others for our protection.
     
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