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Absolutely it does.

All you care about is that everyone is against the "OCT" no matter if the reason they think it is wrong. You admitted that. You're nothing but a conspiracy apologist.

 

So you respect both people/groups who claim/believe in one of two theories, one of which has to be wrong?

That's pathetic.

 

Yeah, some believe that based on wrong information, which I have proven and you continue to skate around.

 

you haven't checkmated anyone Scott ... do you have anything to link torture to the events of 9/11? ... check ...

 

None of that makes any sense. A "conspiracy apologist"??? WTF is that?

 

What's pathetic is taking what I posted out of context.

 

a troofer ...

 

Bobbie still isn't responding to the question if there were tunnels connecting the buildings.
He must have looked it up.

 

Yeah that's what I figured, invented garbage.

 

you people invented it ... we just ran with it ... it's amusing stuff Bob ...

 

It was funnier 10 years ago than it is now.
Like telling the same joke over and over.

 

10 years ago the truthers were all over the many forums that had conspiracy sections ... most of them fooled by the ridiculous Loose Change have finally grown up and moved out of Mom's basement ... the remaining are either in it for the money or have psychological issues ... they cling to the hope that something will eventually "expose it all!" ...

 

No YOU invented the idiotic term "troofer".

To a child.

 

"Troofer" is a good term.

It shows their mentality in one word.

 

Same thing as an "OCT apologist" except it has to do with all the 9/11 conspiracies other than the "OCT". What was so hard to understand Bobby?

 

Really? Then prove it. Which theory is wrong in your opinion between thermite and explosives as a means to bring down the towers. Both can't be right. There are people that signed AE911 truth petition because they believe one scenario or the another. They consider what they have read/digested as proof for what they believe.

How can you respect someone who believes a lie? Isn't that what you complain about with all the "OCT apologists"? We're all blind and being lead around by the nose?

 

Like waiting for the second coming of Christ in a Christian Nation to "expose it all" as if some 2000 + years old fabricated misnomer of an immaculate conception would change that national religion "death to the infidels" "serve the Pope or die" kill & proclaim they've been saved in addition redeemed to continue preying on society.

 

Really. YOU posted about a couple of specific theories from certain individuals, not I. And now you're pretending I endorse theories that YOU posted about when I did no such thing.

I don't need to prove any person's specific theory. This is a typical ad hominem crock from you.

Everyone is an individual entitled to their own personal belief/theory, even YOU. None of that has anything to do with the FACT that they ALL signed a petition for a "new" investigation because they ALL believe the OCT is a fraud. It doesn't matter what else they believe or what color eyes they have or how they each wipe their asses. You are desperately attempting to conflate the point with irrelevant idiocy.

Who in particular did I say I respect and believe is a liar? You are making crap up fake one.

 

I want to hear responses to post #1348 from all of the pro-official version posters. Here's the link to it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-68#post-1069689675

 

No, you brag about the number of people that have signed the petition at AE911Truth as you believe it means something important. What I am telling you is that there are people that have signed that petition that believe one of two theories and that one of the theories is WRONG because BOTH of them cannot be right. And that's just talking about two of them. Other's believe in nukes, energy weapons, etc. That makes it even worse.

Yet here you are posting these claims/theories as evidence that the "OCT" is a lie, even though certain theories HAVE TO BE WRONG.

Again, that's pathetic coming from a guy who preaches "science and research". You're disingenuous Bobby. All you care about is that people are against the "OCT" no matter if what they are pushing is true or not. You've admitted that.

Based on BOGUS INFORMATION Bobby. A fact that you are blind to.

Again, based on WRONG INFORMATION. You are showing your true colors.

Stick to the topic Bobby. This is about what they think is true and WHY they signed the petition. They think the "OCT" is wrong based on what they believe. This is a huge conundrum that you just want to hand wave away.

Nope. You just don't like the truth. That's evident.

 

Bobby, you really do have a reading comprehension problem as people in this forum continue to tell you.

Here is what you said previously. In this statement you said you RESPECT many others who agree the with you that the "OCT" is false. This group you just defined includes the folks who signed the petition.

I then said the following:

To which you replied:

So tell me Bobby. How did you get that I said you "you respect and believe a liar"? I asked you how you can respect someone who believes a lie. Big difference and you missed it, probably on purpose.

So again, how can you respect an "expert" who agrees with you that the "OCT" is false, when they themselves believe in a lie and are basing their signing of the petition and the belief that the "OCT" is false on said lie. You are here criticizing people for believing the "OCT lie", but it's ok to "respect" people who OBVIOUSLY believe a lie as long as it supports the way you think? What a joke!

You're nothing but a hypocrite.

It's pathetic that you have to rely on "reading comprehension" to try and change people's actual post meanings just to try and discredit them.

Limke I said, you're not interested in the truth at all. All you want is for people to agree with you that the 'OCT" is false, not MATTER is the information they are basing this on is wrong or not.

 

And here's the reason why you're really not interested in the truth and only care about people thinking the "OCT' is false no matter WHAT THE REASON.

I (and others) believe the "OCT" and you come in here, call us "OCT apologists", constantly provide information as to why ARE "OCT apologists", and ask "how can we believe such a lie?

When it comes to those who believe the "OCT" false, you NEVER call them names or provide arguments with the same fervor you do when criticizing the "OCT". You "respect" and "support" ANYONE who says the "OCT" is false, even if it's been proven that someone is basing it on lies/wrong information.

Like I said, you're nothing but a disingenuous hypocrite.

 

Is this really how it works Bobby?

So in a court of law, if 10 people believe beyond reasonable doubt that Joe Blow killed Joan Blow with a gun and another 10 believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed her by beating her with a bat, as long as all 20 believe he killed her, Joe Blow should be convicted of murder? Even if the way murder was committed is contradictory?

 

Right.

If someone posted that they believe a team of horses with a chain attached to some columns pulled out said columns and initiated the collapse, you wouldn't care as long as they agreed the "OCT" was a lie.

That sums up what you're all about Bobby.

 

It's not a "brag", it's a fact and it is extremely important, not to you of course, but that means nothing to me.

What you're telling me is your desperate attempt to change the point I made which you didn't and you haven't moved me one millimeter if that's your objective. I don't care what else you think these people believe or what you believe Gamo. It's not relevant to me.

That the OCT is a lie stands on its merit (the facts, the history, the improbability/impossibility, etc.). But thanks for bringing that up, it's exactly what I use people like yourself for, to post how and why the OCT is a massive lie and a fraud. The OCT for the most part is comprised of the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST reports, as well as Bush administration claims (many of which have been proven LIES). So here are the facts, not one of these is theory.

The 9/11 Commission Report is a massive lie because of the following (note these are just some of the major highlights, there's much more):

1. The Bush administration is directly responsible for the wholesale destruction of 9/11 evidence, in violation of federal and local law, thus hampering/corrupting any investigation.
2. The Bush administration did not want to investigate 9/11, in fact they (or more specifically Cheney) asked Sen. Tom Daschle not to investigate 9/11 on several occasions.
3. The Bush administration reluctantly yielded to investigating 9/11 due to pressure from the 9/11 families, specifically the Jersey Girls but wanted the investigation to only focus on intelligence failures.
4. The Bush administration appointed Henry Kissinger as the chairman of the 9/11 Commission who was subsequently forced to resign due to conflicts of interest.
5. The Bush administration stocked the 9/11 Commission with cronies, especially Philip Zelikow.
6. All members of the 9/11 Commission had conflicts of interest and were covering for someone.
7. The 9/11 Commission cut a deal with the Bush administration essentially allowing them to dictate who on the 9/11 Commission could see what evidence and also limited the evidence the 9/11 Commission had access to.
8. According to the 9/11 Commission, there are 570 cubic feet of textual records, a large percentage of it classified, presumably inaccessible to the 9/11 Commission itself (see #7).
9. Sen. Max Cleland resigned as a result of #7, labeling the 9/11 investigation a scam and obstruction.
10. The 9/11 families or more specifically the Family Steering Committee sent over 400 questions to the 9/11 Commission and the vast majority of the questions were either unanswered or insufficiently answered.
11. Philip Zelikow created an outline of the 9/11 Commission Report prior to the first meeting of the 9/11 Commission.
12. Philip Zelikow admitted that most if not all of the 9/11 Commission Report relied on 3rd party relayed torture testimony.
13. The source of over 25% of the Commission Report's footnotes is 3rd party relayed torture testimony.
14. The 9/11 Commission were lied to by the CIA who told them they gave them everything they asked for but withheld torture tapes which they never revealed their existence to the 9/11 Commission.
15. The torture tapes were deliberately destroyed by the CIA despite a federal court order to preserve them.
16. The Senate Intelligence Committee on Torture report claims that the CIA's torture methods yielded NO USEFUL INTELLIGENCE (see #12 and #13).
17. The FBI lied to the 9/11 Commission (and Congress) when they told them they gave them everything. They were discovered a decade later to be holding over 80,000 pages of documents from their PENTBBOM "investigation" that they never revealed existed.
18. NORAD and other key Pentagon officials told the 9/11 Commission different stories that were in conflict with each other or outright lies.
19. The 9/11 Commission agreed to interview Bush and Cheney together unsworn and unrecorded.
20. There is no evidence that the 9/11 Commission conducted any criminal/scientific/forensic investigation in accordance with universally accepted standards appropriate for such an investigation. Especially within the vast scope required by a major historical event such as 9/11. Much of the contents of the 9/11 Commission Report is unvetted and/or unsupported by legitimate evidence (any evidence obtained via the use of torture is illegitimate/unreliable - see #16).
21. The 9/11 Commission claimed in their report that "their aim has not been to assign individual blame", thus making a mockery of the "investigation".
22. Eyewitnesses who were to testify to the 9/11 Commission were coached by Soviet style government "minders" prior to their testimonies, thus tampering with, biasing and corrupting the "investigation".
23. Many potential crucial eyewitnesses were never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission. Potential whistleblowers were not granted immunity and therefore many did not testify as a result.
24. Some key eyewitness testimonies were excluded from the 9/11 Commission Report.
25. The 9/11 Commission failed to investigate key events and issues, such as the destruction of WTC7 (unmentioned) and the financing of 9/11, deeming it of "little practical significance" (in direct contradiction to all criminal investigation standards).
26. The 9/11 Commission co-chairs admitted they were set up to fail, starved of funds, denied access to the truth, misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the FAA, did not examine key evidence, claimed the report was incomplete and flawed and that many questions remain unanswered.
27. Philip Zelikow had complete control over the final edit of the 9/11 Commission Report and was responsible for keeping the classified 28 pages from the 9/11 Commission. Zelikow fired an aide who wanted to bring the 28 pages to the attention of the 9/11 Commission.
28. The published version of the 9/11 Commission Report in general is similar to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory disseminated as fact by the Bush administration prior to the establishment of the 9/11 Commission.
29. The 9/11 Commission Report was severely criticized by many, especially the Jersey Girls, who were responsible for pressuring the Bush administration for an investigation. "we knew it was a farce, we wanted their words, their lies down on paper" - Patty Casazza.

Further details can be found at: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mission-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.495859/

The NIST reports are a massive lie because of the following (note these are just some of the major highlights, there's much more):

Summary of problems with the NIST WTC Tower Report

1. The claim that the upper part of the towers crushed the lower part of the towers violates the laws of conservation of momentum and the law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As shown by the measured smooth uninterrupted descent of the upper portion of the North Tower.

2. NIST claims that the floor trusses in the aircraft impact zone push outward on the perimeter columns with a force of about 80 KIPS before starting to sag and pull the columns inward to cause the building to collapse. Yet there is no evidence to support this claim. Extensive photos and videos of the towers show no outward bowing of the perimeter columns at any time during the fires before the collapse.

3. NIST imposed unrealistic artificial 5 KIP forces on each floor truss to column connection over the 5 stories of the damage zone on the south face of the North Tower in order to make their collapse initiation model work. This amounts to a lateral force of about 750 KIPS applied artificially to that face of the building which cannot be justified by any rationale.

4. NIST does not investigate or explain the global collapse which occurred after the collapse initiation was supposedly initiated by the column failures in the impact zone. NIST simply states, “global collapse ensued”.

5. The NIST collapse sequence is initiated by the failure of the floor trusses in the impact zone and subsequent pulling in of the perimeter column. But the sequence ignores the fact that the core columns failed first, as evidenced by the video of the North Tower collapse showing that the antenna and hat truss resting on the core column began their descent well before the outer perimeter of the building began to fall. This fact invalidates the NIST collapse initiation theory.

6. The NIST report fails to provide any information suggesting that the load capacity of the core and perimeter columns was exceeded at any time during the collapse sequence. NIST ignored the fact that the factor of safety of 3 in the core columns and 5 in the perimeter columns would have prevented the failure mechanism that is theorized in their collapse initiation model.

7. The NIST global collapse theory depends upon the ASCE-published progressive collapse theory by Zdenek Bazant. His theory has been shown to have erroneous input data rendering it non-viable as an explanation for the observed behavior of the vertical propagation. ASCE refuses to acknowledge the errors in the input data of Bazant’s theory.

All assumptions below, which were used in the NIST WTC7 report, have been shown to be erroneous, and correction of these assumptions invalidate the report's conclusions.

1. A girder bearing seat width of 12 inches not 11 inches at column 79 would prevent girder walk off.

2. The omitted stiffeners on girder A2001 at column 79 would have prevented the flange from folding and eliminated any chance of walk off.

3. The thermally expanded girder A2001 could not move past the column 79 side plate.

4. There were shear studs on girder A2001 and this would cause the beams to buckle before pushing the girder off its seat.

5. All west and south girder connections to column 79 were not broken down to the 6th floor.

6. A northeast corner floor failure could not cascade down eight floors so there is not enough energy to break through the girder connection on the next floor down.

7. There were lateral support beams framing G3005 and they would have prevented it from buckling.

8. Beam and girder notching to simulate their buckling due to the fire in the model is not consistent with the time phased weakening fire would produce.

9. Evidence of temperatures high enough to melt steel as documented by FEMA was ignored.

10. The NIST model shows radical deformation of the upper exterior as the east side interior collapses but this is not observed in actual footage of the video collapse.

11. A simultaneous free fall of all four corners of the roofline does have implications.

Deficiency Categories in the NIST WTC Reports and ASCE published Theories

First – Defective collapse initiation theories in the NIST twin tower and WTC7 reports

Second – Unjustified assumptions and errors in the NIST twin tower and WTC7 reports

Third – Omissions and alterations of construction details in the NIST WTC7 report

Fourth – Errors in the calculations of the ASCE published theories

Fifth – Internal contradictions in the NIST WTC7 report

Sixth – NIST ignores FEMA evidence of high temperature exposure of structural steel from WTC7

Seventh – NIST and the ASCE refuse to respond to peer criticism

Further details can be found at: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/

These are some of the reasons why the official 9/11 narrative falls on its face on its own merit. And these are just some of the reasons why there are 3,045 architect and engineer signatories (as of today and GROWING) to a petition demanding a "new" investigation into 9/11. Perhaps some of them have their own personal theories about 9/11, perhaps not. But obviously when the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) is based on proven lies, many will ascribe to all sorts of other theories.

The rest of your post is irrelevant, has already been addressed, is not worth addressing and I don't care one iota about your pretenses. The above (and much more) is ALL I really care about. You can attack and ridicule me all you want, call it "WRONG INFORMATION" if YOU believe it is, it's not important to me. What's important is that 9/11 has never been legitimately investigated and the official 9/11 narrative (OCT) that you grovel to and defend 24/7 is proven criminal fraud.