The Reason China Will Beat America

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  1. Mandelus

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    Aside fact that Trump makes it to our business ... and so it is our business. But ignore that again and again further if you want, is only another fact you ignore!

    And before I cry to the mods, then something must really happen to involve them ... and not just such an American low mind "Kindergarden" comment!
     
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    Foreigners posting here lecture us about gun control, abortion, and other topics thst do not involve them
     
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    The U.S. required its partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own.[citation needed] After much consideration and emotional discussion, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the North American Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act on November 17, 1993, 234–200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. The bill passed the Senate on November 20, 1993, 61–38.[20] Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993

    You are more liberal than I am. You just don't know it.
    Since you were a supporter of those that gave birth to NAFTA and belong to the Party that got it signed into law.

    The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. President Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his campaign when he announced his candidacy for the presidency in November 1979.[14]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

    Did you vote for Bush I(likely), Clinton(doubtful) or Perot(as I did)?
     
  4. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    #01
    I posted my pure opinion about your gun control right which is for me rediculous rubbish out of several well reasoned issues like for example a 19 year old guy can buy legally a gun, but not drink a Whisky in bar. Also I give clear message that I have no pity for next gun massacres in the USA with these circumstances and shrug only about.

    #02
    About abortion, I have written in all these years maybe 2 or 3 times ever something in the forum ... and that's just because I'm the Christian hypocrisy aufkotzt on the subject, whether USA, Europe or wherever!

    But in principle already crappy, if American arrogance and ignorance to the rest of the world to play the omniscient Head Teacher and to teach them what is right and wrong ... meets a vicious echo ... especially since much in the US claimed is simply bullcrap and not true at all!!
    For example, the demand that Germany, like most Europeans, immediately invest 2% of GDP in defense ... even though the facts are clear, the duty to do so, according to the 2014 Wales Treaty, clearly states that they will all do so from 2024 onwards should and must!
    And then the lie that costs the US taxpayer a lot of money ... Really? Examples please Mr. MAGA hat!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You missed the part "they have already stolen everything" in my previous post. It is now the Chinese that are spending billions of dollars in research. It is the US that is lacking in this respect. This is not to say that we do not spend - but - being in research for many years - I can tell you that getting research dollars to fund good ideas is both very difficult and highly political.

    My whole diatribe is "because" of the fear I have of China. I see them progressing at a rapid pace and the US falling behind. Not just falling behind but making huge blunders on the geopolitical Chessboard.

    The strongest piece on the board is no longer "Military" - it is "Economic/Innovation" For all of human history if your economy was in the dumps you could just attack your neighbor and take their stuff. This changed with the advent of nukes - We can not attack Russia, we can not Attack China .. heck we shy away from North Korea and they do not even have the capability to hit the homeland - for the moment.

    That my friend is reality - denial of this reality is what is causing massive blunders. If ones assessment of the position on the board is flawed - one is then more prone to blunder.

    For example: In 2000 we spent 300 Billion - "Total" military spending. After 8 years of Bush that number went above 900 Billion and surpassed 1 Trillion under Obama.

    Had we maintained 2000 spending levels (increasing with inflation) - more than enough to defend the homeland by a factor of 10 - we could have diverted 500 Billion/year x 16 years = 8 Trillion dollars to infrastructure, technology, innovation and economic competition in the 3rd millennium.

    Instead we threw that money into the toilet fighting useless wars - to pad the pockets of the international financiers who own the Military Industrial Complex.

    Interest on our debt is 500 Billion/yr x 16 years and you can add another 8 Trillion to the total - again to pad the pockets of the same club.

    Healthcare spending was 3.5 Trillion in 2017 - double what other first world nations pay. Add another 16 Trillion to the total and we still would be spending more than most. Instead we pad the pockets of the Insurance and Healthcare Oligopolies - again owned by the same international financiers - same group who owns our political/bureaucratic class and the media.

    Do you think we might have been able to put 32 Trillion dollars to better use over the last 16 years ?

    I will tell you one thing - China has. They have never spent 300 Billion on their military (what we spent in 2000) Even now that their purchasing power has surpassed us - they still don't spend 300 Billion/year. Why ? because there is simply no point.

    The Chinese are not operating on the basis of a flawed assessment of the geopolitical Chessboard - they find the smartest people in a nation of very smart people - get them together in a room - and ask them to figure out what the best move is. That's how their system works - Confucianism.

    We sit around calling each other names and engaging in Political games. I hate Maddow but - this is worth watching.

     
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    Guess you haven't noticed the economy has gone flat.
     
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    I'm not defending apartheid.

    But when most people hear the word apartheid they always think of South Africa not knowing that apartheid was common in the world.

    The first time I learned what apartheid actually was was when I was in New Caledonia during the early 1970's and apartheid was still being practiced by the French.

    The United States establishing Indian reservations is apartheid.

    Then there's apartheid by choice.
    The La Raza movement advocates apartheid by choice.

    The African National Council (ANC) was a terrorist organization and was financed and armed by the Soviet Union and trained in terrorism by Libya's Omar Gaddafi.

    If Nelson Mandela ANC were have worn military uniforms and instead if murdering black Africans but attacked the South African government and army, you would have had another proxy war of the Cold War.

    And all of those bleeding heart liberals in America who called for sanctions against South Africa during the 1980's were just useful idiots of the Kremlin.
     
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    I guess not
     
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    You should check. Then you would appear informed.
     
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    But what if all you pass on is the kind of materialism greed and selfishness you are espousing on this forum? Don't you think that would be tragic. My kid raises money for villages in Africa and volunteers to build sewers and wells:floating:. I couldn't be prouder



    So much more to life than disparaging people while you exhualt the worst in human nature. Aspire to more!
     
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    Now AOCDS.........
     
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    Yet you continue to respond and respond. Funny that:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    you can only help others when your self is not short on $$/comfort. you are taking things for granted. try not use your smartphone/TV/PC and all the comfort you have for a month, see how well you can take it. there are ppl who can live without modern tech and its comfort, but most can not. its easy to say but actually doing it is different matter
     
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    I can take it just fine. I go into the Yukon and Willmore Wilderness for weeks at a time on horseback. You are allowing yourselves to be bedazzled by the trinkets.

    I understand that it can be hard to live without technology but it can be a choice. Aspire to more
     
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    I say, amen to that--What's the point in living in a material universe if not to enjoy what it offers?

    Hippies like to delude themselves into believing they are the Children of Aquarius, the offspring of the Universe, or God's creations. Sadly, they are delusional. What they are are beings of reason living on Earth, not some spiritual offspring of magic forces, stuck monetarily in a Platonic, imperfect, mystical realm of miracles and fairies, which muddies their minds, warp their emotions, cripples their reason and causes them to renounce living in the real world for a pretend afterlife universe of nothingness.

    As for serving others: There is no greater evil than to sacrifice your life for the sake of others, and those that do so are nothing more than Schmoos.

    If you are proud to watch your children exist to serve others, you are going to love what's coming, and you certainly will have many opportunities to be even prouder.
     
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    The economy cant rise like a rocket all the time
     
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    She's the best thing that could have happened for the fight of capitalism, individual rights, and reason. Every time she opens her mouth, socialism falls that much further into disrepute and that much deeper into the garbage dumpster of history--all the defenders of liberty have to do is ask, "You mean like Stalin's Russia? Mao's China? Pol Pot's Cambodia? Maduro's Venezuela? It is easy to win the case for capitalism when there is so much reality on your side.

    Of course, she'll deny this, and laugh, "No, no, no. I'll do better" Reminds me of the spider to the fly; or China's promises to Hong Kong.
     
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    The definition of apartheid is that it is the state segregation and (partial) deprivation of parts of the population in favor of a minority.
    This definition fully applies to the apartheid regime in South Africa ... but there has also been similar apartheid from others, e.g. in the south of the US until the late 1960's.

    First of all ... why does it matter, who supports the ANC at least? For me totally uninteresting as point...
    Anyway ... define the difference between "terrorist" and "rebel fighting for freedom/ against tyranny" please ...

    Nonsense ... you forget against which scum and bastards the ANC fought ...
    In reverse I would say the righty dickheads making critics against this are supporteds of racism, eh?
     
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    You sure are gullible

    China never keeps any of its promises

    And certainly does not live up to tough US environmental standards

    You cling to the fact that republicans also voter to give china and mexico access to the US market

    But that is not news and I have criticized all the slimy swamp rats in washington for that mistaken policy

    You onthe other habd support free trade and globalism that is costing American workers their jobs
     
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    that's call vacation lol, my dad do it all the time. sometime ppl want the quietness of nature away from city. but tell them to get rid of all the modern tech etc from their daily life. good luck with that. so how about not using any modern convenience for a month, while you are not on vacation. not using phone, pc, no tv, bike only or on your horseback to work lol. i'm sure there are ppl can live without those item but they are 1 in million.
     
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    Why does China have to live up to USA environmental standards. It's their country. And the USA doesn't want to live up to it's environmental standards. Ever hear of your party wanting to get rid of the EPA?
    I may be gullible, but I am not ignorant as it seems the right is.

    I support free trade and globalism.
    The world has shrunk and is shrinking everyday.
    Technology makes all that possible.
    The world operates in a global environment.
    We can lead, follow, or sit it out and be all by ourselves. But globalism is here to stay.

    I bet most of America wants to participate.
     
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    I once stayed at a Motel 6. Brutal.
     
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    Therein lies the problem with protectionism.
    The world goes on without you and your in the deep dodo.
     
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    You just said china agreed to honor environmentall standards but now you sneer at the very idea

    Nothing like lids who talk out of both sides of your mouth
     
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    Nothing AOC says is anything like Stalin's Russia, Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia. This is just a well-worn canard right-wingers throw up to try to discredit any new progressive ideas put forward that may better the quality of life for the vast majority of people who in survey after survey say they want better access to education and health care and a progressive tax system. The NGD was actually a good starting point for discussion but it will never come to light because the US political system just cannot accept anything other than it's own dogmatic adherence to failing economic systems that imperil the health of the planet and leave so many behind. Without the ability to have an adult discussion about alternatives to the current obscene levels of inequality and disparity, the coporate state and it's apologists can only try ridicule what it cannot understand and hope the American people are too cowed with propaganda to understand the vast transfer of wealth to the highest earners that is going on right in front of them.

    None of the systems you mentioned are actually socialist anyway. In none of them did workers own means of production.

    And your canard, as always, conveniently leaves out all of the brutal right-wing US supported dictatorships that have existed throughout history. It's like Pinochet's Chile, Rhee's South Korea, Saddams' brutal war against Iran that killed thousands or today's medieval kingdom of Saudi Arabia where woman are beheaded for adultery and enemies or the state killed in public squares, never existed.
     

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