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The right to bare arms..... questioning the understanding.

Discussion in 'United States' started by Mr Stefan Downey, Jun 11, 2012.

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  1. danielpalos

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    Simply appealing to ignorance does nothing for your argument since 10USCsubsection311 states what the militia of the United States is comprised.

    How do you distinguish between an inalienable or indefeasible right to acquire and posses, keep and bear, forms of private property which may include Arms and a simple exemption from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws)?
     
    danielpalos, Jun 26, 2012
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    It was a fundamental error on the part of persons who are paid to know better. It was not a Second Amendment issue simply because it did not involve a well regulated militia of the United States.
     
    danielpalos, Jun 26, 2012
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your illogical conclusion would lead us to believe that Citizens United wasn't about first amendment rights because it did not include freedom of religion. The fundamental error is yours.
     
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  4. danielpalos

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    Unlike your argument, my argument is consistent with no cognitive dissonance.

    How do you distinguish between an inalienable or indefeasible right to acquire and posses, keep and bear, forms of private property which may include Arms and a simple exemption from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws)?
     
    danielpalos, Jun 26, 2012
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    Talk about cognitive dissonance, you don't even use cognitive dissonance appropriately. You must really be confused.

    Your statement that Heller was not about the Second Amendment is still flat out wrong.
     
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    How do you distinguish between an inalienable or indefeasible right to acquire and posses, keep and bear, forms of private property which may include Arms and a simple exemption from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws)?

    It was held that a person need not be in a well regulated militia of the People who keep and bear Arms, to acquire and posses, keep and bear, forms of private property which may include Arms. That issue is already covered in State Constitutions.

    For example the California State Constitution:

    It was the only issue Heller addressed since there was no, well regulated militia of the United States involved. And from that perspective it was a correct decision since it involves rights in private property which may include Arms and which are declared inalienable or indefeasible.
     
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    no it doesn't. there is no militia of the united states.
     
    rahl, Jun 26, 2012
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    there is no militia of the united states. and it was of course a second amendment issue.
     
    rahl, Jun 26, 2012
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    Why do you believe what you do?
     
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    Our Second Amendment specifically enumerates what is necessary to the security of a free State; therefore there must be a militia of the several States which may be called to federal service.
     
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    reality
     
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    nope. court case after court case has called bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on that argument
     
    rahl, Jun 27, 2012
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    Any state can still form a militia. It is their constitutional right. Just because we don't need one does not mean it is not available in the future.
     
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    Reality based on what, if you don't subscribe to the rule of law as specifically enumerated in 10USCss311?
     
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    Are you claiming that a well regulated militia of the United States is not specifically exempted from State gun control (laws) in favor federal gun control (laws). If not, then why resort to special pleading for your Cause since it is usually considered a fallacy?
     
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    I am not sure why you believe what you do, during times of lowering Taxes and therefore, not real times of war.
     
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    You want to explain that little bit of nonsense?
     
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    A warfare state will always be more expensive than a welfare state; it is one reason our Founding Fathers wisely enumerated only sufficient socialism, to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.
     
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    What does that have to do with a State's right to form a militia?
     
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    What-tha-fooosey????? A doohicky is more expensive than a doohicky????? Geez, so glad I'm out of the doohicky business, this guy really knows his doohicky business :reading:
     
    stjames1_53, Jun 27, 2012
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    Not needing a professional standing army during times of lowering Taxes and therefore not real times of war should be self-evident as a form of fiscal responsibility.
     
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    Non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. Thank you for being an infidel to your Cause by resorting to fallacy.
     
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    OFF TOPIC!!!!!

    How and when did this format turn from being the right to bear arms to your political foray into economics.....are you just that obsessed that you must follow me from post to post?
     
    stjames1_53, Jun 27, 2012
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    based on the fact that there is no militia of the united states. that reality.
     
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