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The Tragic Story of a Boy turned into a Girl

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by kazenatsu, Oct 24, 2019.

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  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree that it is a sexual perversion base for his actions. There is no argument that his actions are sexual assault. They just weren't based upon sexual desires. They were based on him trying to prove his theory and forcing Bruce/David into all aspects of being female.
     
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    There's always some sadistic sick physicians practicing. Way back I knew an exotically beautiful girl (she wasn't mine) who went in for exploratory surgery which the physicians thought would be gall bladder problems. The surgeon cut her open from the bottom of the sternum to her pubes, and then did a Frankenstein job of stitching her up. If he thought he was depriving her by disfiguring her the guys didn't care one wit.
     
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    there is lgbt issues in the op... the boy was forcibly transitioned into a girl and clearly didn't like it... why are you so persistent in ignoring that fact by polluted the thread with "this is strawman, it don't belong here" ? struck a nerve? good, that's what this forum & site is all about!
     
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  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    I am not arguing about the book itself but the INTENTION to use it as a means to disparage and denigrate members of the LBGT community with failure and perversion.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    That FORCING is not only UNETHICAL but also a VIOLATION of the concept of doing no harm. There was absolutely zero basis for FORCING his BROTHER to PARTICIPATE in an UNDERAGE act of simulated sex. The brother was NOT under his care and had no reason to be privy to the doctor-patient relationship. By FORCING him into that situation he actually caused lifelong mental TRAUMA to the other child.

    There is no excuse for this PERVERSION to have been forced on UNDERAGE boys.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

    This is SERIOUS child abuse and it caused one of them to commit suicide and the other to suffer from schizophrenia.

    To excuse the above as NOT being perverted doesn't pass the rational adult test.
     
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  6. Maquiscat

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    Yes we are in agreement for the most part. I am only pointing out that this abuse was not sexual in nature on the part of the doctor, and that your post had such an implication of such in it. It is abuse nonetheless, and Money is a monster for what he did.
     
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  7. Maquiscat

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    The book addresses the very heart of the issue. Whether it is used pro transgender, or anti transgender, it is still addressing the issue.or transgenderism, among other topics such as medical malpractice.
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This should have been obvious, but I just want to point out for anyone who may have been confused that the boys still had their clothes on during the "rehearsal of sexual acts". The psychologist was just trying to do everything possible to put Brenda into a female role.
    It wasn't real sexual acts, it was play acting. It was still degrading to Brenda nonetheless.
     
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  9. Maquiscat

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    I was aware have a copy myself, but it is still a sexual assault on both children. The genitalia inspection was also beyond the pale.
     
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    Excuses for perverted child abuse that ended with suicide and mental illness? :eek:

    Sad!

    Do child molesters also get an excuse because they make up false claims that "the child wanted it"?

    Child abusers make up LIES about the children in order to rationalize their own perversions.

    There are NO acceptable excuses for child abuse by an adult!

    NONE whatsoever!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6542819

    https://www.qld.gov.au/community/ge...d-abuse/what-is-child-abuse/child-abuse-myths

    Those two boys were ABUSED and their perverted abuser is LYING about his motivations for FORCING them into that abuse.
     
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  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The major and very obvious difference is that none ot the LGBTQ people who want to have sex change surgery have had their penises burned off as infants.

    What was supposed to have been done with this poor guy? Condemn him to live his life as a male without a penis?
     
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    This is part of what I am talking about as far as motivations go. From everything I've read, his motivations are exactly what he claim, the proving of his theory. That doesn't make his methods excusable. But it doesn't mean he lies about his motives, nor that his motives were sexual in nature. The closest to lying he did was to himself as he ignored all data and behavior that did fit his preconceived notions.

    Don't get me wrong. From the victim's position, motivations mean nothing. It doesn't matter if it was from a grease fire or an ill placed candle, you house has burned down.
     
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    Given the medical knowledge of the time, that might have been the best for him. Trying to force him to live as a female turned out fatal in the long run.
     
    Maquiscat, Oct 29, 2019
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    The self aggrandizing motives of the pervert are revealed in these two articles.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2004/may/12/scienceandnature.gender

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-may-13-me-reimer13-story.html
     
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  15. Maquiscat

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    Exactly. His motives were self aggrandizement, not sexual molestation or deception, save the self deception he did. That's three different motives that you have ascribed to him, the last of which is the only accurate one. My point this whole time is that you have been ascribed false motives. All are horrible, but only one was true.
     
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    The motives of the pervert are exposed by his actions because there is no other acceptable explanation for them other than his perversion.

    The motives for posting this topic in this forum are typical of those who want to demean and disparage the LBGT community by associating them with this kind of pervert.

    Both of those statements regarding motivations are accurate.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While obviously extremely horrific, this idea that it's absolutely impossible for anyone to ever be able to live a happy fulfilling life without a penis is just ridiculous. What about those who become monks or Catholic priests?
    Some people will tell you they have uncles who are very involved in their own extended families, almost like a second dad to the children, and haven't had any sex life for years. Not every man is hooked up to a female and having mind-blowing sex every night.
    There are some wives who like to be held and loved but don't actually like engaging in the sex act. It's a problem in more marriage relationships than people may think.
     
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    You are completely missing the point. Money believed that gender could be taught and nurtured. He ended up trying to force a transition not wanted. That is the opposite of allowing a desired transitioning.

    Furthermore, very very few within the transgender community want young children to undergo surgery, for a myriad of reasons. The chance they are not transgender, too young for elective surgery, insufficient growth for the needed surgery, and many more. Presenting is not the same as transitioning.
     
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    Where are you getting this strawman from?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was just responding to Aleksander Ulyanov's post, trying to say that just because the boy lost his penis doesn't at all mean they had to also cut off his testicles and turn him into a girl as a matter of course.
     
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    Still posting STRAWMAN CANARDS that you are utterly INCAPABLE of substantiating?

    Of course you are because that is all you have!
    Thank you for clearly ESTABLISHING the INIQUITOUS MOTIVATION for posting this Medical Malpractice in THIS forum!

    It is now ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS from the content above that this is a DELIBERATE attempt at ASSOCIATING a despicable PERVERT with the LBGT community.

    And to drive the point home I am CHALLENGING YOU to provide CREDIBLE substantiation that the entire LBGT community condones FORCING any child to be SEXUALLY ABUSED and/or FORCED to undergo transgender transition.

    You can't because that DOES NOT EXIST!

    It is only those who are MOTIVATED by HATRED towards the LBGT community who will do everything that they can to DEVIOUSLY associate the LBGT community with perverts and perversions has just been EXPOSED by the CONTENT of the post above!

    This allows EVERYONE to OBSERVE what is happening and to CALL IT OUT when it happens again.
     
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    It doesn't have to do with gay or lesbian rights. It has to do with transgender issues. There isn't a thread for that and normally in forums it appears with in the LGBT discussion section which this website doesn't have.
     
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    So...just because this forum doesn’t have a specific thread for something...there’s a rule that says that it can’t be discussed?

    Seems rather...limiting...for a discussion forum.
     
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    I think you misunderstood my post.
     
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  25. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All it takes is for you to say you don't support gender transitions for young children, and denounce those on your side who do, and we can end this.
    If indeed it is a straw man.
     
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