The Twin Pillars that Trump's presidency relies on

The point I was making is that if the south wanted to SAVE slavery, they had no need to go to war to do so, the north had already capitulated. The Corwin amendment would not have ended slavery it would have entrenched it as an inalienable constitutional right.

The fact they refused to sign it shows that the war was over something OTHER than slavery, something more important. The constitution.

That’s insane. So the north can violate the constitution at will and with immunity but if the confederacy wants them to follow the constitution or they leave, THEY are the traitors?? What kind of backwards absurd logic is that?

What were the southern states supposed to do? The southern states had already taken the northern states to the highest court in the land and won TWICE. Their ONLY two options at that point were to concede the federal government can ignore the constitution and violate it as it sees fit or secede. The south wanted one of two things. Either for the north to follow the constitution or peaceful secession. The north and federal government would allow neither.

Let’s put it in the context of today. Suppose a president comes into power who is staunchly against the second amendment. There’s also a strong contingent of liberal states who say okay we don’t like guns either so we are going to force registration of guns. They’re taken to court and they lose. They ignore the ruling because they know the executive will not enforce the decision. They go further. They then state that everyone has to turn in their guns. If they don’t turn in their guns they’re criminals and lose their right to vote. They’re taken to court again and again they lose. But they don’t care, they simply ignore the ruling and the executive doesn’t enforce it.

Now what are the other states supposed to do? The gun grabbing states have now stacked the electorate to ensure that their type of candidate will win. What do the other states have as a recourse? They’re simply forced to stay in the union in hopes that they get a presidential candidate who will enforce the constitution even though the electorate is stacked against them?

If they concede then they’ve essentially set the precedent that the government can simply violate the constitution at will. Then what comes next? Freedom of speech? Assembly? The press? Religion?

Secession is literally THE only option.

I despise UNC, they’re a bastion of liberal hate. And Jordan was a compulsive gambler whose gambling debts got his father killed. I did answer your question about why it’s important.

 

Oh well hell if you’re going to manipulate the numbers to not include all eligible slaveholders in order to beef up your argument, why don’t you only use white men between the ages of 40 and 50 with a net worth of over $75,000? That will really jack up the statistics.

But might I point out that even with your jacked up statistics you can only manipulate them but so far. You’re still only talking about 25-30%. Meaning the other 70-75% didn’t own slaves.

 

Jefferson Davis encapsulated the cause of the confederacy perfectly in one sentence:

“I would rather leave the union with the constitution than to remain in the union without it.”

 

When I was young man, one of my friends was into martial arts, having become a black belt in kung fu at a young age. He was average height and kind of on the skinny side. There was this one fellow, real tall, maybe 6-5. He wore skin tight Lee jeans, cowboy boots, a cowboy hat, and always had a big belt buckle. Apparently my friend had been flirting with a young woman that the big fella had designs on. It played into larger community tensions where the cowboy types often fought with the rock and rolling kids with long hair.

It was quite a fight. The tall cowboy had pushed my friend and was threatening to hit him. It seemed as if he thought his size was enough to intimidate my friend into submission. Which left him off guard as my friend jumped into the cowboy, hitting him square in the chest with his elbow, backed by the full force of his forward momentum. Continuing the motion, pivoting off the elbow his fist hit the cowboy square in the mouth. The cowboy fell backwards with my friend on top, getting in three or four good hits in on the way down with his other hand. They hit the ground hard with my friend bouncing off of the cowboy and up into his fighting stance, as the big cowboy lay on the ground gasping for air, blood beginning to emerge from his mouth. Took the fight right out of him.






When I was in high school there was this big dude, Bob, who played as tight end/defensive end on the football team. He often talked as if he was going to the NFL one day. At first Bob was kind of cool, but at some point he turned into kind of a jerk. When we were seniors he had taken to openly bullying younger kids, some of who were half his size.

Not to say I ever played dirty football, but when I was kid we had a thing we called a willie block. It’s intention was to hurt an opposing player. To take them out of the game, or at least degrade their performance. Basically it is hitting an individual with full force from three different players from three different angles. Something is sure to give. Anyhow, Bob had been rather harsh on a couple of sophomores. I think he had rammed the head of one into a locker, thinking it was funny. I’m sure I’m the one who gave them the idea to do a willie on him.

In football practice, the varsity regularly played against the junior varsity which was mostly tenth graders. It looked like just a simple sweep around the end, but Bob didn’t get up. They carried him off the field to an ambulance. He was on crutches for most the rest of our senior year, and was still limping the last time I saw him.

I was reading a history book and when they were talking about the invention of firearms, they said that the introduction of firearms meant that size no longer mattered on the battlefield. A small feeble man with a gun has the same strength as a large muscular man with a gun.

Isn’t there a song that goes something along the line of, “the bigger they are, the harder they fall”?

 

The bigger they are the more likely you are to get knocked on your butt. I was able to say that in fifteen words as opposed to your 400 words describing the less likely outcome.

 

I tend to be tickled when I hear conservatives going on with this meme. Especially when one understands where it is coming from. Steve Bannon, Brietbart and the alt-right crowd are an outgrowth of the so-called seduction community. It began mostly as a way to scam money out of socially awkward men but eventually evolved into a men’s self help movement. With it a ideology came forward. Central to their thinking is that the feminist movement has had an emasculating effect on society. That men are no longer free to be men. I’m sure most are okay with Trump’s behavior towards women, because he is not constrained by the influence of feminism.

They separate male society into two groups, beta and alpha. They strive to be alpha, and see others as beta. Many expect women to react to formula come ons.

Long before I ever heard the term cuckold I was bragging/joking/taunting that if it wasn’t for other guys wife’s and girlfriends....

Once I was hanging out with some guys. Two of them, mostly talking to each other, were bragging about their girlfriends. One was even going on about how devoted his girlfriend was to him. I was laughing inside as I had been tasting the fruits of both of those fine looking young women.

Ever notice how most heartthrobs tend to be liberal leaning?

I have been having fun with this pandemic. With everyone wearing masks it leaves the eyes more exposed to social interactions. And, of course the best flirting begins with the eyes. The face covering adding an aura mystery.

 

Here you go again. I find it somewhat disturbing that conservatives are always trying to intimidate. “We are the big tough guys and you small weak guys should do as we say”. And if the big bellies and 4x4 trucks don’t scare you enough, there are always the multitude of firearms.

Kind of funny the way conservative ideology works. On the one hand it claims that liberals are authoritarians, yet on the other claim that liberals are too weak to rule. All the while conservative rhetoric is expressing authoritarian solutions to many problems.

When I was a kid, there was a larger kid who was always elbowing me as he walked by. One day we had an assembly at school I ended up sitting next to this guy on the last row in the bleachers. At some point he gave me a rib shot by which I reacted by throwing all my weight into a punch to his nose. As we were sitting with our backs to the wall, his head had nowhere to go so he took the full force to the front of his face. And boy did the blood ever flow. They kept stuffing towels into his face as the one before quickly turned red and soppy. He was still bleeding when the paramedics wheeled him out. He continued to be the bad ass bully and probably still is. But he never bothered me after that. Was quite respectful when I was around.

 

You sure did use a lot of words to be completely wrong. If you pick a fight with a bigger man, you are probably going to lose.

 

Well when you cheapshot people which seems to be literally every scenario he described, you should win the fight even if your opponent is bigger.

His problem is going to come in when he tries to fight someone who is ready and prepared to fight back. In which case size does matter.

 

Just ignoring all your bluster for a minute... are you honesty asserting that masculinity hasn’t been under attack, vilified and demonized for the past 20-30 years?

 

We had this new foreign girl in one of my classes whom nobody could quite figure out on her first day. She could hardly speak English at all and her language was one nobody could really place. It sounded something like Spanish but she was a fair, blonde and blue eyed beauty, lissome, delicate and clearly a native of Scandinavia if one ever existed. Finally our teacher spoke to her in Italian and she replied fluently in some relief. She was from the Po Valley, where many of the native Lombards are throwbacks to their Germanic ancestors.

 

My question for this thread would be......

Why do so many on the left run on an absolute pillar of CORRUPTION ???

It NEVER ENDS
Cuomo granted immunity to nursing home executives, after big-money campaign donation: report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-immunity-nursing-home-campaign-donation

And do do so many politicians on the Left cater exclusively to the Ultra Wealthy?

 

Bullies are like that. They can dish it out, and sometimes with extreme cruelty. But when retribution time comes, they tend to cry, claim they are the victims. “I was just joking around, he didn’t have the right to fight back”. It is okay to push people around, but not okay for people to push back?

 

No more than are females, particularly on the Internet.

https://time.com/3305466/male-female-harassment-online/

Btw If this were 4 chan that kind of remark would have you inundated with "incel detected" replies, but it's not, so there's only this one ( just kidding really but you should be careful about saying that kind of thing on many boards)

 

All that bragging about fighting and how you can whip the big guys. I am a big guy. However, I haven't had a physical fight with anyone since grade school As far as I am concerned, fighting and bragging about it are grade school stuff which has no place in a grown up world.

 

Yes and no. The old saying is that "a skilled big man will beat a skilled little man every time" and that is true, but the crucial thing is the skill. Practically all fighting styles or types that I know of, with the possible exception of formal Marquis of Queensbury boxing, utilize techniques to turn a person's strength against them.

And if you're a big person but haven't fought since high school go try to see how you fare against even a flyweight boxer who is still active in the ring

 

Yeh, but we're just ************ on the Internet here. Lee Child has made a really good living writing some 30 bestsellers which are mainly the chronicles of an extremely big guy beating people up, (in the service of good and right, of course) People like to read about fighting and even more to watch it, though very few like doing it at all.

 

I haven't fought. But that does not mean I haven't been trained. However, at my age I am not about to get in a fight with anyone.
But again, I think talk about fighting and fighting is childish.

 

I think that masculinity has been hyperized. That may be the problem as by comparison it leaves many men wanting. 30-40 years and earlier, it was common to see a guy with arms like a girl on television or in the movies, acting like a big tough guy. Nowadays the heroes and the antagonists tend to have the muscle development to more convincingly pull off the roles they play. I think that modern society has given women more choices. The downside, I guess, is that many men end up left out. That is probably the way it was before they invented marriage.

 

You entered this argument by telling me I’d get knocked on my butt. Now you are talking about how childish fighting is.

However, the gist of the conversation is that might does not always make right. That the big guy, just by being big does not have the right to push others around.

 

No one disagrees with that. However, bragging about your prowess adds nothing to the conversation, And I have not seen any of the bullies even though I live with conservatives which shoots most of your theories down.

 

What male who grew up in America within the last 50 years has not seen these ads in the back of their comic books or Mad Magazine?


Unfortunately, that nostalgia has turned into this...

 

The thing that still gets to me is that the role of Jack Reacher is played by Tom Cruise instead of Dwayne Johnson. The magic of cinema indeed

 

I'm not sure the math would change anything if I were to start speculating about how each slaveholder probably had a wife, that assumption would pretty much just lead to the same percentages.

I dusted your 6/100 and your response is it doesn't matter anyway? It's only 1/4 to 1/3? What do they call that around here? Moving the goal posts? I simply view it as being a disingenuous attempt to cover up for being proven wrong.

So, slavery in the Confederacy represented almost 40% of the total population and were owned by somewhere between 1/5 and 1/3 of white men and possibly some independent white women.

I'm going with 1/4 give or take 5%. What would be your requirement then before you would concede that the war was about slavery? 100% ownership?

You should probably dig through the 1860 pdfs and then check in with your favorite wizard to see if it can help you fine tune your spin.

 

I don't think Trump cares about either one. As for me, I would like to see the federal government made very much smaller. It would make it more manageable and effective. Most of what the federal government does belongs in the states, the private sector or the trash can.

I believe diversity works against a harmonious society. It always has. But we have a lot of it so we need to adapt to it.