The U.S.S. Liberty Must Not Be Forgotten

There is nothing magical about a "congressional hearing".

Your sources do not in any way involve "overwhelming evidence". It doesn't form any kind of coherent narrative contrary to the official findings and worst of all NEVER provides a serious motive for what would've been a horrendously risky act by Israel.

And yes the attack was "deliberate" in that Israel fully intended to attack the ship. But that does not mean by any means that they KNEW the ship was an American vessel. Even if some suspected it might be that doesn't make Israel guilty as Israeli announcements to the U.S. about ships in the area being subject to attack were definitive.

Finally, you accuse me of being a shill for Israel. The final insult aimed at those who agree with the official findings regarding the Liberty.

 

Which "official finding" are you referring to?
Provide a link.

 

For starters.

http://www.thelibertyincident.com/clifford.html

 

"I do not know to this day at what level the attack on the Liberty was authorized and I think it is unlikely that the full truth will ever come out. Having been for so long a staunch supporter of Israel, I was particularly troubled by this incident; I could not bring myself to believe that such an action could have been authorized by Levi Eshkol. Yet somewhere inside the Israeli government, somewhere along the chain of command, something had gone terribly wrong--and then had been covered up. I hever felt the Israelis made adequate restitution or explanation for their actions . . ."

"Clark M. Clifford, then-Presidential Advisor and Chairman of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Counsel to the President

"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable. El Quseir has one-fourth the displacement of the Liberty, roughly half the beam, is 180 feet shorter, and is very differently configured. The Liberty's unusual antenna array and hull markings should have been visible to low-flying aircraft and torpedo boats. In the heat of battle the Liberty was able to identify one of the attacking torpedo boats as Israeli and to ascertain its hull number. In the same circumstances, trained Israeli naval personnel should have been able easily to see and identify the larger hull markings on the Liberty."

Clifford, in a memorandum to the President, 18 July 1967"

http://www.gtr5.com/quotes/clifford.htm

 

Translation: Because I can not prove anything, that is proof of a Conspiracy.

And anybody that does not accept that as truth is a Jew, or a mouthpiece for the Jews.

[video=youtube;urglg3WimHA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urglg3WimHA[/video]

 

I've proven the US Congress has never investigated the issue of culpability for Israel's attack on Liberty. Jews and their useful idiots who doubt that historical fact likely believe the Silver Star is a Conspiracy.

"Bryce Lockwood, Marine staff sergeant, Russian-language expert, recipient of the Silver Star for heroism,(won aboard the Liberty) ordained Baptist minister, is shouting into the phone.

"'I'm angry! I'm seething with anger! Forty years, and I'm seething with anger!'

"Lockwood was aboard the USS Liberty, a super-secret spy ship on station in the eastern Mediterranean, when four Israeli fighter jets flew out of the afternoon sun to strafe and bomb the virtually defenseless vessel on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of what would become known as the Six-Day War.

"For Lockwood and many other survivors, the anger is mixed with incredulity: that Israel would attack an important ally, then attribute the attack to a case of mistaken identity by Israeli pilots who had confused the U.S. Navy's most distinctive ship with an Egyptian horse-cavalry transport that was half its size and had a dissimilar profile.

"And they're also incredulous that, for years, their own government would reject their calls for a thorough investigation.

"'They tried to lie their way out of it!' Lockwood shouts..."

They still are.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

 

If georgephilip and others who claim that Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty with full knowledge that it was an American ship can give any kind of decent REASON for the Israeli actions then I would give their other claims some thought.

But.

I have yet to hear a single plausible reason for the Israeli attack. And lots of very plausible reasons why Israel WOULD NOT knowingly attack an American ship

In solving any crime, MOTIVE is the first thing that is addressed.

 

Establishing MOTIVE requires INTERVIEWING the accused, which has never been addressed in this matter.
The VICTIMS of Israel's deliberate attack have their suspicions...

"Intelligence analysts agree that they attacked because they feared we might learn something that they did not want the United States to know.

"That could have been

"1. The planned invasion of the Golan Heights which was set to start a few hours after Liberty's arrival in the area. When Liberty arrived, the invasion was postponed for 24 hours, Liberty was attacked, and the invasion took place the next day. Did they postpone the invasion until Liberty out of the way and unable to report on the war?

"2. It is possible that they were afraid that Liberty might learn and report to the United States that Israeli forces were executing up to 1,000 Egyptian Prisoners of War at El Arish at the very moment that Liberty was just 13 miles off shore.

"3. It is also possible that USS Liberty was attacked to prevent the ship from reporting a deliberate massacre of 14 Indian United Nations peacekeepers that took place in Gaza shortly before Israel's attack on USS Liberty."

http://www.ussliberty.org/why.htm

Establishing motive requires a full congressional investigation into these events before all remaining EYEWITNESSES die of old age.

 

And why exactly would Congress need to investage that? Is this attack somehow under the juresdiction of the Legislative branch of the Government?

Executive (State Department, Defense Department) yes, Legislative branch no.

Besides, you said something very different earlier:

So once again, your failure to find classified materials proves your claims...

Sorry, faulty logic in the extreme.

The why should be obvious. They are Jews and Evil. No other motive needed.

In fact, let's take this a step further. And insist that Congress investigate every case of Friendly Fire since the Vietnam War. Every single one, and haul up all involved in front of Congress and use it like some kind of Star Chamber trial.

 

All three of those have been thoroughly disproven.

1) the Liberty was in no position to report anything about movements in the Golan. Which were no secret to anyone anyway.

2) There was no massacre of Egyptian prisoners.

3) U Thant (UN Sec. General) had withdrawn UN Peacekeepers from the Sinai before the beginning of the Six Day War.

 

What are you talking about? Everybody knows that a ship 25 miles off the Egyptian coastline is in a perfect location to observe what is going on in the Golan Heights, way up near the Israeli-Syrian-Jordanian border!

Why, that is why the US runs patrols off of the coast of Cuba, so it can see what is going on in Venezuela!

There may have been, but it certainly is not the only such attrocity done by both sides during the decades of conflict. And I love the use of the words "executing up to 1,000". It might have been just a single prisoner, and his phrasing is still accurate.

BTW, even those involved say it was around 250 individuals. Not Egyptian but Palestinian. And a commando unit which was operating in civilian clothing (which by doing so they gave up any form of protection of the Geneva Convention).

Actually, the forces were pulled out on 16 May, almost a month prior to the outbreak of hostilities.

And they were not withdrawn, they were expelled by Egypt. All but the command staff, who had remained in the attempt to persuede Egypt to let them stay. They were actually in the Egyptian CP in Gaza when it was shelled by Israeli artillery.

I remember reading a biography of General Indar Jit Rikhye many years ago, very interesting reading. An Indian Army General, who dedicated most of his life ot peace. But once again, that was no "massacre", they were caught by intentional artillery fire, intended to destroy the Egyptian military outpost which the UN forces had their own headquarters. General Rikhye led the survivors through battles where they were attacked by both sides in that conflict before they got to the beach and were sea lifted to Cyprus.

 

At any rate, none of those three supposed "motives" don't add up to anything remotely sufficient for the Israelis to be able to justify to themselves the risk of attacking an American ship on purpose.

And regarding Georgephilip or whatever his name is that you determine motive by examining the accused.

No you don't.

"Motive(s)" is established at the beginning of a criminal investigation to narrow down the range of possible suspects. The you narrow the field more with "opportunity". You narrow it the final time with "means".

"Motive, opportunity, means" also called "MOM".

 

Exactly. Like most antisemites and conspiracy theorists, they take little bits of information and then twist it around so it is barely recognizeable, and point it at the subject of their hatred.

And then somebody else picks it up and runs with it, thinking that the twists are in fact the truth.

The first part of my post though was extreme sarcasm however. Attacking a ship way down off the coast of Egypt to prevent it "seeing" the Golan Heights is simply insane and stupid. The two are around 500 kilometers apart.



The pin marker is the city of El Arish, the USS Liberty was about 20 miles North of the city. Golan is way up in the North-East part of Israel, North of the Sea of Galilee. So trying to link the two in any way is crazy.

But hey, when has a Conspiracy Theorist ever been bothered by something as petty as facts?

 

"The National Archives in College Park, Maryland includes in its files on casualties from the Liberty copies of the original telegrams the Navy sent out to family members. The telegrams called the attack accidental. The telegrams were sent out June 9, the day before the Navy Court of Inquiry convened."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#U.S._government_investigations

 

What was Charles Manson's motive, Coach?

 

Can't figure out why congress has the authority and responsibility to investigate Israel's deliberate and cowardly attack on the USS Liberty? Read Article I Section 8: Congress shall have the power...to provide and maintain a Navy.

 

IIRC he hoped to start a race war in the United States.

Note, spree killers and serial killers are exceptions to the MOM thing.

 

Really? You live in LA and do not know the motive of Charles Manson?

Simply put, he was crazy.

Charlie believed there were hundreds of miles of secret tunnels and caves in the Mojave Desert. And that God would show him where to go to in order to hide with his followers to survive the coming race war.

He believed that blacks were inferior, but that they were going to win the coming race war. But he believed they were not brave enough to actually start it by themselves, so he tried to force it by comitting brutal murders, thinking that would kick it off. Then he and his followers could go and hide in the desert while the blacks killed all the whites.

Then he and his followers would emerge from hiding. And of course being white they would then take charge and put the blacks back into their place.

Yea, old Charlie was crazy. And he claimed this plan was given to him by God, through the music of the Holy Prophets (The Beatles), specifically the White Album (Helter Skelter, Piggies, Rocky Raccoon, Revolution, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Blackbird, even Yellow Submarine).

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And where does that give them the authorization for this?

 

3) Gaza is not located in Sinai, so it's possible Egypt's eviction of Sinai peacekeepers AND Israel's alleged murder of Gazan peacekeeper are both true. Maybe we should ascertain motive before all suspects die of old age?

2) You believe the claim that hundreds of Egyptian prisoners were massacred by the IDF "'has' been thoroughly disproven." By whom, CNN?
"Villager Hassan Al-Malah declares to other searchers he's found more bones. Neighbors quickly dig up what they say is a mass grave of Egyptian prisoners killed by Israeli soldiers during the 1967 war.

"The Bedouins say they witnessed hundreds of Egyptian soldiers executed without trial. Then they buried the bodies when Israelis left them to rot in the desert sun. 'They would nail the prisoners hands to the trees like this and shoot them,' said witness Hassan Al-Malah, raising his hands behind his head.

"'It was Jews from America.'"

"Neither Egyptian nor Israeli authorities ever investigated what happened here at El-Arish. 'Mothers and fathers would come,,,'"

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9509/mass_graves/

1) Israel's intentions to conquer Golan were not secret and neither was the US government's opposition to those intentions. And, obviously, the Jews '67 intentions toward Syria have proven true.

 

Or...in the General's own words:
"Peacekeepers were even resented for doing their job. General Rikhye, a man not easily rattled, was shocked to find his UN plane fired on, and almost forced down, by Israeli jets in 1967. And in 1982, with UN troops installed in another buffer zone in Lebanon after the Israeli invasion, he was outraged to find them hemmed in by Israeli and PLO road-blocks on each side, 'like the salami in a sandwich'”.
Read more at http://www.economist.com/node/9298508#cWvXMDl2I7RPYZAF.99

Jews invaded Gaza in 1967 and Lebanon in 1982 because they knew the only way to transform the land between the River and the sea from an Arab-majority controlled territory to a Jewish state was through force of arms. On June 8, 1967 the USS Liberty presented a threat of some kind to this concept of "Greater Israel," and the Jews responded by deliberately attacking a neutral nation's ship in international waters. Jewish motives for such a war crime could have been discovered 48 years ago by publicly revealing the attack, and asking elite Jews why they choose to murder 34 Americans sailing in international waters.

 

Five years ago when I first began posting on this subject, I would have agreed with your statement.
Today, I think it's more likely the UK and France set in motion a chain of events after the War to End All Wars in the former Ottoman Territories an imperial strategy designed to murder, maim, and displace Semites across the Middle East for the benefit of elite western corporate interests. The first British Military Governor of Jerusalem saw Israel as a key component in that strategy:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

"Storrs’ analogy was no accident.

"Ireland was where the English invented the tactic of divide and conquer, and where the devastating effectiveness of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between the colonial rulers and the colonized made it a template for worldwide imperial rule."

http://fpif.org/divide_and_conquer_as_imperial_rules/

 

"An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, called the attack on the Liberty 'a tragic and terrible accident, a case of mistaken identity, for which Israel has officially apologized.'

"Israel also paid reparations of $6.7 million to the injured survivors and the families of those killed in the attack, and another $6 million for the loss of the Liberty itself.

"But for those who lost their sons and husbands, neither the Israelis' apology nor the passing of time has lessened their grief.

"One is Pat Blue, who still remembers having her lunch in Washington's Farragut Square park on 'a beautiful June afternoon' when she was a 22-year-old secretary for a law firm.

"Blue heard somebody's portable radio saying a U.S. Navy ship had been torpedoed in the eastern Mediterranean. A few weeks before, Blue's husband of two years, an Arab-language expert with the NSA, had been hurriedly dispatched overseas.

"As she listened to the news report, 'it just all came together.' Soon afterward, the NSA confirmed that Allen Blue was among the missing."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

The Jewish state has dodged this bullet for nearly fifty years. I turned 20 during the summer of '67, and I knew a few draftees serving in Vietnam who were none too happy to be there; however, had Israel succeeded in sinking Liberty with no survivors allowed and blamed Egypt for the war crime, those reluctantly serving in Southeast Asia would have torn Egypt to shreds without a second thought; and many of their children and grandchildren would likely be occupying Egypt's oil fields to this day.

 

The really interesting thing...
"The Johnson administration did not publicly dispute Israel's claim that the attack had been nothing more than a disastrous mistake. But internal White House documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed.

"...most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was 'inconceivable' that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.

"The attack 'couldn't be anything else but deliberate,' the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress.

"'I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental,' Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director, said in an interview.

"'I just always assumed that the Israeli pilots knew what they were doing,' said Harold Saunders, then a member of the National Security Council staff and later assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern and South Asian affairs.

"'So for me, the question really is who issued the order to do that and why? That's the really interesting thing.'"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html

 

Because they did it on purpose.

 

Except there is

1) no known motive for a deliberate attack on an American ship.
2) Completely plausible reasons for a mistake being made