The US should consider reparations to African-American descendants of slavery

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  1. vino909

    vino909 Well-Known Member

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    why not reparations to the indigenous peoples nearly wiped out to conquer the continent?. They live in squalor while descendants from slavery seem content with welfare. Oh, wait!! I'm sorry.... Rev's Al and Jessie need to get THEIR cut. Rev. Al needs to beef up his non-taxable bucket of cash the IRS knows about but seems to ignore.
     
  2. EggKiller

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    The UNs conclusion is faulty. In America mostly white slave owners paid for slaves. Eventually they were freed without any monetary consideration for the initial purchase. Therefor African Americans should be paying reparations to white people.

    PS if you think my conclusion is faulty perhaps you should reconsider your own as well.
     
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    This is the same UN that is involved in yet another scandal this time with "peacekeepers" raping children.. Perhaps they need to fix their own house....
     
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    The UN should Be disbanded after we kick them to the curb. Completely worthless corrupt organization.

    I wonder if Obama approved this message since besides the Supreme Court, head of the UN is his next natural step to retain power.
     
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    So once again you want to reward those that haven't been harmed and punish those that harmed no one . Brilliant , just brilliant ! :wall: You do realize most Americans came to the USA around 1945 and had zero to do with slavery and the like and most were discriminated against for some time in finding work and providing for a family which normally consisted of mom , dad , kids , grandma and grandpa . There wasn't any welfare , food stamps , cell phones , etc. Their hard work and determination allowed them to provide a stable home and proper schooling for their children . They went to church and had high morals and values , never looked for a hand out or free stuff , much too proud !! So you think they should pay someone for things that they were no part of because ???? :roll:
     
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    How about people stop living in the past and be responsible for their own actions.... Shocking concept i know...
     
  7. FreshAir

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    our President has white genes but he is black.... .so are we basing this on genes or skin color?

    many of us may have slave genes in us... they do have a genetic test to see if you have any African American in you, many white people do

    they call America the melting pot for a reason, we are a mix of many races, we as a country have the greatest genetic diversity, which in the long run is best for our survival...

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  8. HTownMarine

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    Blacks in Africa enslaved other blacks in Africa hundreds of years before they ever saw a white man. After that, it was the middle east's turn.

    But what about the millions of whites brought to Africa as slaves? Do they get reparations too?

    Fact is, Africa would be as assbackwards as it is now no matter what, because it's Africa.
     
  9. Esau

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    If you are white but have slave genes you're prolly entitled to $2
     
  10. FreshAir

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    so what if your black with white genes... $2 as well?

    just trying to determine if it's all about skin color vs race to you?

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  11. Jack Links

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    What a joke!
    They should be paying us for the social damage they cause due to their crimes.
     
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    if you're 100% black and have slave ancestors, you're entitled to $9.95
     
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    ........NO!
     
  14. superbadbrutha

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    Can you tell me what some of these programs are, because I have worked all my life and I have never been associated with any of these so-called programs.

    Really Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton are collecting reparations for black folks and keeping it for themselves. Wow, which branch of Gov't is paying them these reparations?
     
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    African slaves contributed monumental unpaid labour to build the nation as well as the personal wealth of their owners, but calculating the monetary value of that debt and properly assessing specific recompense is impossible. E.g., how would descendants of slave/master relationships be expected to compensate themselves?

    Honestly acknowledge the debt incurred, raise private funds to honour the involuntary contributions for a memorial on the Washington Mall, but don't attempt a divisive, necessarily symbolic pretense of equity.

    It can't be done.
     
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    Sure.

    Check out the numerous fire and police departments where blacks who did not earn their position, but rather sued for it, and were awarded promotions. I can show you numerous instances if you don't want to do the work yourself.

    But, good for you. See, you can make it in this world without special privileges, so it can be done.

    Or blacks not having the have the same college requirements (test scores) for college admission.

    Please don't play dumb. It just ruins the quality of the discussion.
     
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    Dave Chappele, on slavery reperations

    [video=youtube;Fg6J1Skptbs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6J1Skptbs[/video]

    [video=youtube;FRZN7IzvCVs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZN7IzvCVs[/video]
     
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    First thing I that came to my mind too. He's not dumb, we all know where the money would go.

    They'd be broke in 6 months, and then what lol
     
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    The day after they'd get 'dey rep-a-rashuns' they'd be back for more.
     
  20. Lil Mike

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    Why is that so hard to believe? Probably 10% of white southerners have African ancestry.

    The US has a one drop rule, so it's rather racist of you to decide who you will allow to be black and be eligible for reparations and who isn't based on your own racist criteria.
     
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    What do they mean there was no real attempt? I see the UN representatives do not know the history of the United States. There was an entire failed era(Reconstruction) around that very premise. While Abraham Lincoln recognized the need for financial assistance, the rest of the US rejected and eventually grew to understand the necessity.

    Furthermore, the claim of "descendants" of slavery is very flimsy to at worst utterly unrealistic, considering the last slave was somewhere in the early 1850's. But since the UN feels so humanitarian about it, why don't I press the French woman on her colonialism, since it was far more recent than US Imperialism. What about French assistance to the Haitians? An entire people was massacred and enslaved by Napoleon, do the French not owe responsibility?

    I could do just as well to point to the Italians, and Italy's claim over North Africa. Never mind that the European Powers is where the slave trade initiated.

    As far as how our police operate in terms of fatalities, they would do well to research how Whites fare no better with regards to criminality. Now I understand Israel's reluctance with this organization.
     
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    That's why I'm surprised there isn't a rush to get this done before the changing demographics put Hispanics in charge. They won't care about reparations and won't spend a dime for blacks, at least based on the ethnic cleansing they're doing in places like Compton, CA.

    But of course I care. Although I used to be dead set against the concept of reparations, I'm finding my mind being swayed somewhat. The goal of the civil rights movement was that once Blacks were freed from legalized discrimination, they would be free to be as successful as their talents and ambitions could take them. Except for a few though, that hasn't turned out to be very far. We've had over 50 years since the 1964 civil rights act, and the progress has been extremely slow, even with helping hands like Affirmative Action. I think it's pretty clear that Blacks are not likely to get their act together in this generation, or the next, regardless of how many "firsts" like the first Black President there are.

    So what could be done? The two common paths to the middle class are through education and home ownership. Maybe $50,000 per adult Black person who can document that they are descendants of American slaveholders. However not as cash, but as a credit that could be applied to either education or as a down payment for a home. Of course we would have to get rid of Affirmative Action as trade.

    Or....stall until the Hispanics take over and let them worry about it.
     
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    Oh please race baiter, you obviously don't understand the point here. Every group has oppressed and killed throughout the decades. Black tribals enslaved less tribes in order to sell them. The Romans conquered western tribes, and then sent those tribes to conquer other tribes. Towards the end of the Roman era these same tribes sacked Rome, multiple times. Japanese families killed and conquered each other multiple times threw the periods of great civil wars between shogunate dynasties. American Indian tribes fought among themselves for generations. The Aztec's feel not because a few hundred white guys showed up, but because those white guys were able to mobilize the people the Aztec's had been oppressing and turned them against their oppressors.

    Your blinded by reality if you do not understand that.

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    I'd be surprised if it isn't larger with the population as a whole. The idea of "racial purity" is a lie in the first place. Most people are multi racial in one way or another.
     
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    Reparations have always been based on the legal principles of damages. Are people of African descent living in America better off today than they would be if they stayed in Africa? In almost all instances, the answer is that they are better off, despite the burdens of slavery. If there are no damages, why would there need to be reparations?

    By the way, there is an almost infinitely better chance that Barack Obama's ancestors owned slaves than my ancestors did.
     
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    Who is they that should be paying you?
     

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