There is nothing after death

This is really a non argument when you consider the topic. Who cares if there was a first ape? That does not mean something happens after death.

 

I merely said we came from nothing as well. I am not claiming to try to prove anything I am simply saying we we don't have a good definition of 'nothingness'...To say nothing happens after death is rhetoric only.

 

And...where did that come from? What was before the Earth? What was before the Universe...the Big Bang? Did it all come from nothing? Define nothing.

 

I do not know...nor does anyone else.

Science is working on it though, all I can say I DO know it that it did not come about because your God decided to do it.

 

Agreed. There is absolutely nothing to suggest the existence of consciousness that can survive the physical death of the brain.

I would LOVE to see some REAL evidence to the contrary, but there isn't any. Every time someone suggest there is, it ends up being nonsense. Don't these people realize that we would have found evidence of it by now, if it were real?

 

I believe in God. I'm not afraid of death, nor was I before I believed in Him.

Next....

 

I don't believe anyone who says they aren't scared of dying. If someone put a gun to your head and told you to say your prayers, you'd be lucky not to (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself.

 

That's called adrenaline. I'm referring to the notion of dying itself.

 

You mean you aren't afraid of the abstraction, only the real thing.

Exactly. Your confidence in an afterlife is betrayed by the sheer terror you would experience at the prospect of dying. At the most fundamental level, you know your ideas are nonsense, but you can fool yourself with abstractions in the interim.

 

No, because the firmer one believes and trusts in God, the more patient he will be when calamity strikes him- be it death. Belief in God conquers everything.

 

Why is death a calamity? If god is going to whisk you away to heaven when you die, why not welcome it? What's there to be scared of?

 

Most Christians are terrified that if they meet God he will turn out to be less judgemental and prejudiced then they are. Can you imagine the fear of meeting a God that judges you if you hate gays, or want to punish unmarried women who have children, or actually tolerates and admires other religions.

 

It's just completely silly. The human species is far too (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up for their to be a creator as described by the bible. I'd buy alien experimentation before believing in a religion.

 

What's that to you, seeing you won't be around to experience it?

And neither will you experience their absence, so what's the problem?

Then your fear is of pain, not death.

You'd make a crummy scientist, that's for sure.

You're certainly provoking people to think atheists are morons.

 

So you discount those who say they saw something because others say they saw nothing..Yep right there is pure aetheist logic...because people that agree with me, agree with me, they must be right and the others wrong. Just for your information, this is an excerpt from an article stating "Jung's experience is unique in that he saw the Earth from a vantage point of about a thousand miles above it. His incredibly accurate view of the Earth from outer space was described about two decades before astronauts in space first described it." You can read more about it here: but you won't because you are so convinced of your intellectual; read arrogant, superiority. http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/carl-jung.html

 

There is plenty of physical evidence for how we experience life while alive via our senses and how we store and retrieve memories. Once all brain function ceases and our bodies decompose following death there is no ability to experience life or to store or retrieve memories. All that is left are the memories of those who knew us as a person but those are 2nd hand experiences since it is impossible to know exactly how anyone else experiences life.

Given the facts above it is factual to state that there is nothing after life as we as individuals experience it.

That just leaves the imaginary beliefs that have zero reproducible evidence to support them hence the onus does rest entirely upon those who make claims about an "afterlife" to provide the proof.

 

The laws of physics stipulate that the universe has always existed and will always exist in one form or another.

Likewise the elements that compromise you as an individual will always exist in some form or another.

However the current conglomeration of elements that comprise you as an individual today only exist because of the factors that occurred prior to you becoming an individual and it is extremely unlikely that they would ever be reproduced exactly ever again.

Once your elements are returned to the universe how they will be recycled is unknowable.

 

Prove it.

 

Do you need a survey to tell you the obvious?

I have memories of my late parents and that is true for most normal people.

 

Obviously I didn't challenge you to prove people have memories of the dead, I challenged you to prove said memories are "all that is left". So get the hell on with it, already.

 

Why don't you prove it? You are the one pulling an assertion out of thin air. You acknowledge that brains have a lot to do (really, everything to do), with consciousness. YOU need to explain why you think we float off to some other destination after death. Where is your evidence for that?

 

Onus is on you to prove that something else exists since that is your claim, not mine.

 

There is an alternative to the binary believe or don't believe and that is neutrality pending further evidence. My ancidotal opinion is we become worm food and continue the cycle of life but I remain open to other possibilities.

 

The advantages of being recycled as worm food is that it acknowledges that we are made from some of the most common elements found in the universe. We are, quite literally, star dust. I have no problem at all with the concept that my current component elements will survive and be reused as fertilizer for plants or float in the ocean until they are absorbed into some other form. They will still be around when the sun burns out in 5 billion years and be scattered into the far reaches of the universe. That is a cool concept IMO.

As for the rest of the panoply of bizarre beliefs that have sprouted ever since we learned to communicate I prefer the old maxim that if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. The correlation between snake oil and religion is all too glaringly obvious as far as I am concerned so I will stick with the knowledge we have when it comes to what happens when I die.

If I am wrong then sobeit. I came into this world with zero knowledge of what it was all about and if I end up in the "next world" the odds are that it will be nothing like this one or even remotely akin to anything posited by the theists who claim to be "experts" on the subject. They have no more knowledge than I do as to what will occur, if anything, so I see no reason to waste my time on their ignorant beliefs.

 

Um, there's zero evidence for "something." Therefore, we assume nothing exists.