There Were 13 Benghazis During Bush Administration!

Um, to the contrary. Congress gave the Bush administration the authority to use force, if diplomacy failed, in Oct 2002 when the Bush administration was trying to put pressure on Hussein on unlimited inspections. It worked. Hussein capitulated. UN inspectors were given unfettered access to the whole country, including the presidential palace. They made hundreds of unannounced, spot inspections where WMD might be. They found none.

Meanwhile, haven been given the authority to use force if diplomacy failed, it was entirely up to Bush to decide whether diplomacy failed, whether to use force, and what force to use.

The decision to not only use force but to invade and occupy, was made entirely by Bush and the neocons in his administration.

There was not vote to go to war by Congress. There was only a vote to give Bush the authority to use force if diplomacy failed.

 

LOL this is one of the best lines Ive ever read over the years. What in your head do you think "authority to use force" means? We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. That means the dems only chance to stop war was this vote on the resolution. THEY VOTED YES!!! HELLO MCFLY!
LOL would you feel better if we say DEMS agreed and voted yes to AUTHORIZE THE USE OF FORCE? Thats called a constitutional republic at work.

 

Authority to use military force if diplomacy fails means the Bush administration was authorized to use military force if diplomacy failed. What do you think it means? It doesn't mean "go to war and invade and occupy".

No one said they were going to go to war in October 2002. Proved by the fact they didn't.

Look, I'm not saying the Dems who voted to give Bush this authority are blameless. With hindsight, we can say they were foolish to trust Bush with this authority.

And I can appreciate why you'd want to blame the Dems for the disaster of a war that cost us so much. If I was a conservative I'd want to tag them for it too.

But that doesn't change the simple undisputable fact that it was the Bush administration that decided to invade and occupy Iraq.

 

Diplomacy failed.
He used authorized military force.
end of story.
Your right we shouldn't of occupied the place. We should've left immediately after killing all their leaders.

 

Stop the strawman. Ive never said occupy. In fact I posted I vehemently disgareed with that.

 

So your position is that Congress voted to go to war, but not invade and occupy? Why one but not the other?

That was the Bush administration's decision on using military force. They didn't have to invade or occupy. Bush and the neocons made that decision.

 

“(a) Authorization.--The Janitor is authorized to use the tools of the Janitorial closet as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the building against the continuing threat posed by filth; and
(2) enforce all relevant building superintendent resolutions regarding cleanliness and safety.”

Too bad your boy in the White House is too incompetent to even be a janitor.

The Obamanation policy of containment in 1996 for the first fatwa of war against us and the second in 1998 was the policy of the Democratic Party that voted for Clinton and him.

“When is a real journalist going to put some serious questions about containment in front of the candidates?”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/30602-oreo-cookie-and-containment.html#post1057590153

“Hello, Barrack Obama? What was your exit strategy with regard to Iraq, in 1997?” (ibid)

If you want the job, answer the question.

 

“The Great Seal of Obamaland?”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/the-great-seal-of-obamaland/

YOU are the Obamanation.

Any questions that could have been asked of a president about his strategy to deal with WWII domestic Japs, the Cuban Missile crisis, or an exit strategy for Iraq is relevant for any candidate now or in the future.

And their policy for the situation in 2002, of continuing the “protracted blockade,” most certainly might be their policy in 1997 or 2001, when we were attacked and the attacker in both the 1996 and 1998 fatwas of war blamed the Obamanation policy:

August, 1996: "More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void.
The treaty of Hudaybiyyah was cancelled by the messenger of Allah (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) once Quraysh had assisted Bani Bakr against Khusa'ah, the allies of the prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him). The prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) fought Quraysh and concurred Makka. He (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) considered the treaty with Bani Qainuqa' void because one of their Jews publicly hurt one Muslim woman, one single woman, at the market." (Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.)

March 1997: "Though Bin Ladin had promised Taliban leaders that he would be circumspect, he broke this promise almost immediately, giving an inflammatory interview to CNN in March 1997. The Taliban leader Mullah Omar promptly 'invited' Bin Ladin to move to Kandahar, ostensibly in the interests of Bin Ladin's own security but more likely to situate him where he might be easier to control.73
There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.74" (The 9/11 commission report, page 65-66)

July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

“In the case of Iraq, for the last 10 years the U.S. and Britain have been devastating the civilian society. Madeleine Albright's famous statement about how maybe half a million children have died, and it's a high price but we're willing to pay it, that doesn't sound too good among people who think that maybe it matters if half a million children are killed by the U.S. and Britain. And meanwhile [the sanctions are] strengthening Saddam Hussein.” (On the Attacks on New York and Washington, Noam Chomsky interviewed by David Barsamian, International Socialist Review, Issue 20, November-December, 2001)

February 17, 1998: “While speaking at the Pentagon on February 17, 1998, President Bill Clinton warned of the ‘reckless acts of outlaw nations and an unholy axis of terrorists, drug traffickers and organized international criminals.’ These ‘predators of the twenty-first century,’ he said ‘will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq.’“ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/
One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

Cold or Hot but never the lukewarm “liberal” arts of war.

 

What we have to remember about the Iraq war was that for the first few weeks after Saddam was ousted, the Iraqi people were elated and there was dancing in the streets. What no one saw before hand was that the power vacuum would open the door to tribal and religious sectarian violence. We in the Western world do no kill our political adversaries, but not so in Islamic countries. They kill each other.

The debate will go on for years whether going into Iraq was the right thing to do. One thing is clear, there was no question 99% of everyone in the U.S. agreed that Saddam had to go and there was authorization given to Bush.

 

Here.........grasp away righties.