Time to get out of Iraq as well as Syria?

You can't handle the truth.

Pick your spot.

And yet you think it is I whose education was a failure!

 

LOL! You obviously did not read the record of endless European warfare. Europe is war.
And the 20th century broke all the old records.

"20th century

1903 Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising
1904–1908 Macedonian Struggle
1904–1905 Russo-Japanese War
1905 Łódź insurrection
1905 Revolution of 1905
1906–1908 Theriso revolt
1907 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt
1910 Albanian Revolt of 1910
1910 5 October 1910 revolution
1910 Portuguese Monarchist Civil War
1911 Albanian Revolt of 1911
1911–1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 Balkan Wars
1912–1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1913 Tikveš Uprising
1913 Ohrid–Debar Uprising
1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania
1914–1918 World War I - 19,174,335 deaths
1916 Noemvriana
1917 Toplica Uprising
1918 Judenburg mutiny
1918 Cattaro Mutiny
1918 Aster Revolution
1918 Radomir Rebellion
1918 Finnish Civil War
1916 Easter Rising
1917 Russian Revolution
1917 February Revolution
1917 July Days
1917 Polubotkivtsi uprising
1917 Kornilov affair
1917 October Revolution
1917 Junker mutiny
1917 Kerensky–Krasnov uprising
1917–1921 Russian Civil War
1917–1918 Soviet-Turkish War (1917–191
1917–1921 Ukrainian War of Independence
1917–1921 Ukrainian–Soviet War
1918–1919 Polish–Ukrainian War
1918–1924 Left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks
1918 Left SR uprising
1921 Kronstadt rebellion
1918–1922 Heimosodat
1918 Viena expedition
1918 Aunus expedition
1918–1920 Petsamo expeditions
1918–1920 National revolt of Ingrian Finns
1921–1922 East Karelian Uprising
1918–1920 Estonian War of Independence
1918–1925 Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War
1918–1920 North Russia Intervention
1918–1922 Siberian Intervention
1918 Georgian–Armenian War
1918–1920 Georgian–Ossetian conflict (1918–20)
1918–1919 Georgian-Russian conflict over Sochi
1918–1920 Armenian–Azerbaijani War
1918–1920 Latvian War of Independence
1918–1920 Lithuanian Wars of Independence
1918–1919 Lithuanian–Soviet War
1919 Lithuanian War of Independence (War against the Bermontians)
1920 Polish–Lithuanian War
1919–1921 Polish–Soviet War
1921 Georgian–Russian War
1924 Georgian Uprising against Soviet Union
1919–1920 Revolutions and interventions in Hungary (1918–20)
1918–1919 Hungarian–Romanian War
1919 Sejny Uprising
1919 Khotin Uprising
1918 Georgian–Turkish War
1918–1919 Austro-Slovene conflict in Carinthia
1918–1958 Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts
1919 Polish-Czech war for Teschen Silesia
1918–1919 German Revolution
1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
1919–1923 Turkish War of Independence
1919–1922 Greco-Turkish War
1918–1921 Franco-Turkish War
1920 Turkish–Armenian War
1919–1923 Royalist and separatist revolts
1919 Christmas Uprising
1919–1920 Italo-Yugoslav War
1919–1920 Czechoslovakia–Hungary War
1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
1919 First Silesian Uprising
1920 Second Silesian Uprising
1921 Third Silesian Uprising
1919–1922 Irish War of Independence
1920 Husino rebellion
1920 Vlora War
1920 Kapp Putsch
1920 Ruhr Uprising
1920 Slutsk Defence Action
1920–1924 Biennio Rosso
1921 Uprising in West Hungary
1921 February Uprising
1922–1923 Irish Civil War
1923 Corfu incident
1923 September Uprising
1923 Klaipėda Revolt
1923 Leonardopoulos–Gargalidis coup d'état attempt
1924 1924 Estonian coup d'état attempt
1924 August Uprising
1925 Incident at Petrich
1932 Mäntsälä rebellion
1933 Casas Viejas incident
1933 Anarchist uprising in Spain (1933)
1934 Asturian miners' strike of 1934
1934 Austrian Civil War
1935 1935 Greek coup d'état attempt
1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
1938 1938 Greek coup d'état attempt
1939 Hungarian Invasion of the Carpatho-Ukraine
1939–1965 Spanish Maquis
1939-1940 S-Plan
1939–1945 World War II
1939 Nazi German invasion of Poland
1939 Soviet invasion of Poland
1939–1940 Winter War (Soviet invasion of Finland)
1940 Battle of the Netherlands
1940 Battle of Belgium
1940 Battle of France
1940 Italian invasion of France
1940 Soviet invasion of the Baltic States
1940 Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina
1940 Battle of Britain
1940–1941 Greco-Italian War
1941–1945 Soviet–German War
1941–1944 Continuation War
1942-1944 Northern Campaign
1942–1956 Ukrainian Insurgent Army
1943 Italian Campaign
1944 Slovak National Uprising
1944 Warsaw Uprising
1945 Western Allied invasion of Germany
1945 Second Battle of the Alps
1945 Battle of Berlin
1944–1956 Guerrilla war in the Baltic states
1945–1949 Greek Civil War
1947–1962 Romanian anti-communist resistance movement
1953 Uprising in East Germany
1956 Uprising in Poznań
1956 Hungarian Revolution
1956–1962 Operation Harvest
1958 Opération Corse
1958 First Cod War
1959–2011 Basque conflict
1961–1967 South Tyrol insurgency
1966-1969 Northern Ireland Civil Rights Protests and IRA re-emergents
1967 Greek coup d'état
1968 Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia
1968–1998 The Troubles
1970–1984 Unrest in Italy
1972 Bugojno group
1972–1973 Second Cod War
1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
1974 Carnation Revolution
1975–1976 Third Cod War
1975 Portuguese coup d'état attempt
1976–present Corsican Insurgency
1981 Spanish coup d'état attempt
1988–1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1989 Romanian Revolution
1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts
1991 January Events
1991 The Barricades
1991–2001 Yugoslav Wars
1991 Ten-Day War (Slovenia)
1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992–1995 Bosnian War
1998–1999 Kosovo War
1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley
2001 insurgency in Macedonia
1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance
1991–1993 Georgian Civil War
1992 Transnistria War
1992 East Prigorodny Conflict
1992–1993 War in Abkhazia
1993 Cherbourg incident
1993 Russian constitutional crisis
1994–1996 First Chechen War
1995–1996 Imia/Kardak military crisis
1997–1998 Cyprus Missile Crisis
1997 Albanian civil war of 1997
1997–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign
1998 Six-Day War of Abkhazia
1999 War of Dagestan
1999–2009 Second Chechen War"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

So, where do you and all the other peaceniks live?
Please don't say Switzerland - at least not with a straight face.

 

319 results and promises kept. Some folks would rather be fed pablum to make them feel better.

 

Your knowledge of non-waring nations of Europe is limited to only Switzerland? I guess they don't teach European geography/history you your country, huh? LOL!

 

Yes, the "geniuses" within the US administrative state decided to encourage the creation of the IS.
Russia/Putin, Syria/Assad and Iran have always been the principal opposition to ISIS. I can't say that makes them the "good guys", but it seems rather clear that the USG's strategic thinkers have been, at best, the 'stupid guys'. IOW, SNAFU.

Tyvm for the good sources.

 

Ruthenia?

 

They are principle competitors defending their own interests.

 

Has someone on this thread disagreed with your assessment?

 

Exactly. The USG should be doing the same thing.

 

Europeans are always making war on each other somewhere. They are just getting warmed up for the 21st century.

21st century[edit]

Damaged building in Lysychansk, 4 August 2014

• 2001 Georgia, Kodori crisis
• 2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
• 2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo
  • 2004 unrest in Kosovo
  • 2008 unrest in Kosovo
  • 2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis
• 2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis
• 2004 Georgia, South Ossetia skirmishes
• 2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis
• 2007–2015 Civil war in Ingushetia
• 2008 Mardakert skirmishes
• 2008 Russia–Georgia war
• 2009–present Insurgency in the North Caucasus
• 2013–2014 Euromaidan and pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine
  • 2014 Crimean crisis
  • 2014–present War in Donbass
• 2015 Kumanovo clashes
• 2016 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes
• 2018 Gyunnyut clashes
• Ongoing conflicts[edit]
  Ongoing conflicts in Europe
  Conflict Includes Date started Duration Casualties
  Corsican conflict 04/05/1976 43 years, 7 months and 4 weeks 0 killed
  Abkhaz–Georgian conflict 1989 31 years 4,000 to 15,000 killed
  Georgian–Ossetian conflict 1989 31 years 2,000+ killed
  Dissident Irish Republican campaign 10/04/1998 21 years, 8 months, 3 weeks and 1 day 145 killed, 766 wounded
  Chechen–Russian conflict 1785 235 years 33,000 to 240,000 killed in Second Chechen War
  Russian military intervention in Ukraine
  • 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine
  • Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation
  • War in Donbass
  2014-02-20 5 years, 10 months, 1 week and 5 days 12,800 to 13,000 killed, 27,000 to 30,000 wounded, as of December, 2018
  Cold War II 2008 12 years 0 killed
  Yellow vests movement 17/11/2018 1 year, 1 month, 2 weeks and 1 day 11 killed
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

"Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?" G. Washington

 

error

 

That beacon of light disappeared a long time ago. I would say in 1963 when our religious values took a downward turn, and our nation along with them.

The worse horror would be Turkey. Their intolerance and brutality towards others is legendary - though they do manage to keep it well hidden -thanks to their strategic position and a compliant US media. (I can't help but wonder if my favorite Hurriyet columnist and satirist, is now lingering in some Anatolian jail?)

Next worse would be Iran because of the cultural restrictions imposed by Islam. As for Russia, they do respect other cultures and 123 languages are spoken there. Most are taught in school together with Russian, so I don't think it would be too bad except for the liberal totalitarians, who insist on imposing their standards on everyone regardless of whether it runs contrary to the will of the majority.

As for China, I don't know. Their system and indifference towards the welfare of their own people leaves a lot to be desired. I know the N. Koreans would pay their government to work in Russia, since they considered it paradise compared to China - and yet Russia can't even compare to a nation like Norway.

 

This video show what Europe looked like 1,000 years ago to today. Borders changed as weaker countries were swallowed up by their more powerful neighbors. Putin wants Ukraine back because he wants to re-set the clocks back to the former Soviet Union Russian empire era.

1942 – Expanding and Contracting Germany
At the furthest extent of Axis territory in World War II, Germany and Italy controlled a vast portion of continental Europe. After the war, however, Germany again became fragmented into occupation zones – this time, overseen by the United States, France, Great Britain, and the Soviet Union. Germany would not be made whole again until 1990, when a weakening Soviet Union loosened its grip on East Germany.

1991 – Soviet Dissolution
In the decades following WWII, the political boundaries of the European map remained relatively stable – that is, until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Almost overnight, the country’s entire western border splintered into independent nations. When the dust settled, there were 15 breakaway republics, six of which were in Europe.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2400-years-of-european-history/

 

Yeap.
but not twice within 48h, it is pure evil, as bad as those you mention.......
Reg.

 

I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who fought in the Pacific theater who would agree with your assessment.

 

The soldiers we have there do have families waiting for them back home, for me this war is over and I think the Iraqi government now is enough capable to handle the nation. It's time to bring them out now and just keep on supporting the Iraqi government, their tour of duty I think is already complete.

 

Twice within 48h, only targeting civilians? What heroes you guys are.....
Reg.

 

It was war. We knew who was the enemy and who was the bad guy and fought to win. Now I say we but I didn't actually take part in it but I had uncles who did. The one that was in the Pacific hated the Japanese till he died based on what he saw. No, America didn't start the war and owe no apologies for how they fought it.

 

It was NOT twice within 48 hours.

 

Smedley Butler USMC disagrees with you, regarding the criminality of the US military. Personally, I find him far more credible than you in that regard.

 

I'm so happy for you and Smedley.

 

Second bomb was a war crime, period.
But you guys always look the other way, be it in Iraq or else.
You still believe you have the moral upper hand, well you haven't....
Reg.

 

Have you got proof that this number (1m) is correct?
Sometimes I hear figures are in the low 100's, but hey, this (Iraq) was/is a mainly Muslim country, so most on this form can't give a **** in the first place....
Reg.

 

No it wasn't and yes we do.

I think more civilians died in the fire bombing of Tokyo not to mention places in Germany, Dresden was it? War is hell isn't it? Blame those governments that simply refused to surrender which they eventually did.