Tired of 47% not paying any taxes? Shame on us...

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  1. Meta777

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    There are things needing to be done which are already there.
    All that's needed to make a job out of them is for someone to fund them so that the people who do them can get paid.
    If the government giving people money to do nothing doesn't make us communist,
    the giving people money to be productive certainly doesn't either.
     
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    Are you suggesting a laissez faire capitalist system?
    The problem with that is that private entities typically must make a profit,
    where as government doesn't have to.
    Note that things which are useful are not necessarily always profitable.

    Also, private entities are less able to take on very large projects,
    as individual corporations alone do not have the resources for it,
    and coordinating with multiple corporations would likely be too much of a hassle and or risk for corporations which are already profitable as they are.

    Private entities cannot handle everything,
    but that's not to say that there is no use in having a private sector,
    and what I suggest is not about getting rid of the private sector, or even reducing its size,
    but simply to allow the public sector to pick up where the private sector leaves off.

    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for why private workers and public workers cannot all coexist simultaneously.

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    And just who is breaking those laws? I don't believe anyone is.

    Or do you mean it not in a legal sense,
    but as a de facto point that people or forced into working for a limited number of entities who may not even pay them above poverty levels?

    If that's what you mean, then you can start to ameliorate that issue by adding competition into the system.
    Offering additional jobs is one way of adding competition to the labor market.

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    how would you go about hiring people? you make it seem like you can just special plead your way out of answering how you would solve for a natural rate of unemployment, without requiring a work ethic if there is any unemployment above zero percent? currently, only truer forms of communist economies require a work ethic. why such a lack of faith in Capitalism?
     
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    Why not simply pay people to be market friendly, as a form of chore to their republic, with a minimum wage that could let them be able to afford to do that via unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State?

    Why do you believe that idle money being "freely" given to a recipient of a trust fund would not be similar?

    Why do you object to ending official poverty in our time with our tax monies? Providing for the general welfare is specifically enumerated as power delegated to our federal Congress and the State legislatures.
     
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    Public sector intervention in the market for labor is one example of where that intervention is justified, since it could solve that social dilemma, rather easily.
     
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    have you read that legal doctrine? why do you believe no one is breaking any laws, but merely complaining about less fortunate illegals for their illegalities?
     
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    You know that money you that you were going payout for someone to do nothing?
    Use it instead to hire that same someone to build a house.

    You see, people need houses, the problem is simply that they cannot afford them at the prices they are being offered.
    What you, as government, can do,
    is pay someone to build a house using the same tax dollars you would have otherwise used to pay that someone to do nothing.

    Sell the house at a price that covers the cost of materials and employing that worker,
    if everyone has done their job right, that cost should be cheaper than a private equivalent.

    Now you as the government have gotten back your initial investment,
    and can now use it to hire an additional person to build an additional house and repeat the cycle.

    Each house that gets built, will not only mean one less homeless person,
    but through the nature of free market capitalism and competition,
    it will also gradually decrease the price for houses offered by the private sector.

    If the people you employed to make the houses happen to be homeless,
    they will now have the money, and will also have a wider choice of more affordable homes.

    Note that it isn't necessary for you as the government to directly employe these people.
    You could instead allocate money to a private entity, and strictly regulate what the money must be used for.
    Both methods have their pros and cons, but as long as they get the job done,
    it doesn't really matter which one you choose.

    BTW, I do not lack faith in capitalism.
    I simply do not believe that it alone can bring prosperity.
    An important, perhaps the most important factor in capitalism is competition.
    So why do you have such a lack of faith in capitalism?
    What issue do you have with government competing so long as it does not unfairly prevent anyone else from doing the same?

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    I do not oppose spending tax money to solve poverty. But where one spends that money is important.
    I do not oppose welfare checks either,
    I simply believe that there is a much more rational approach to solving the same problem.

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    Well then I'm glade we agree.
     
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    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Employment+at+Will
    http://labor-employment-law.lawyers.com/human-resources-law/At-Will-Employment.html

    These are state laws.
    Who is breaking these laws, and just how are they breaking them?
     
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    It is my contention that it is due to a simple moral failure, even with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge of allegiance to our own republic.

    It should be self-evident in California, that for-cause employment must usually be proved in order to not have an employment relationship considered at-will.
     

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