To be or not to be... child-free

That is rather ungrateful to your own parents and whole lineage and a rather selfish way of reasoning - "Children are too expensive!" Ugh. It is true, buuut, you need to think in longer terms and leave selfish materialism aside; Children bring you happiness and - at least before the government decided to become everyone's parent - will pay you back by looking after you when you get older.

Now other people and their children are obligated to pay for your elderdom by spending "gazillion dollars" in tax money.

Of course, no one is morally obligated to have children. Some cannot even have children. Others do not even want children. For some, "life happens" and they never manage to "settle down". But, I still find it quite gruesome and selfish to look down on those who chose parenthood by laughingly stating; "look at all the monies I saved!"

Everyone likes children. Even if they claim they don't. Especially women have a very weak spot for the little creatures.

 

not true of every family, some kids are rotten or just plain old evil... i've seen some that were raised proper & loved, only to have their kids either overdose or kill their parents, others that abuse their parents... it ain't all sunshine & roses...

 

Then their upbringing was - quite obviously - not as love-dovey as the parents made it seem to outsiders.

 

It's rather selfish of them to expect me to give them grandchildren and sustain their lineage.

But "selfish" is not a flaw nor a crime, it simply is doing what one wants which is how most people live....doing what they want like having children.

I think it's selfish to bring kids into the world simply because you(general you) want them, that's being selfish(doing what you want) and involves others (kids) who had NO say in the matter.

Uh, you may scorn "materialism" but one can't raise kids on air alone....there is a mountain of materialism with raising kids.

Not all the time, they also bring you heartache and sorrow

They will?? WHERE is your guarantee that they will be there, have the money, want to take care of you?


Pretty selfish to have kids so you can use them to take care of you in your old age instead of providing for yourself.

No, they don't ! I live on my earnings and savings and money from the government that I PUT INTO THE GOVERNMENT.

I stated a fact, ""look at all the monies I saved ...and you twisted it into something else ""I still find it quite gruesome and selfish to look down on those who chose parenthood""


But, I still find it quite gruesome and selfish to look down on those who chose NOT to be parents and vilify them by calling them selfish.

I'll be sure to pass that on to a friend who is a nun.....she'll get a laugh out of it....

No, not everyone likes "children"... I view children as individuals not things and some I like and some I don't.

You can't read minds.

Not all women do, they are individuals...with individual likes and dislikes...

But what you said is a sorry comment on fathers...

 

You were wrong.

 

nope, not true... try a different avenue to fit your scheme of 'goods are the greatest gift to humankind'... some kids are just bad, or do you believe psychopaths do not exist...

 

And yet, as history shows over and over again; without strong, stable families, societies collapse into chaos and bloodshed; and, ultimately succumb to some form of tyranny.

It would seem those life and historical lessons were never passed on to you - nor most Americans of the past 50 years.

 

geeze!!! please follow the context of the postings, in the order they were made, starting at the beginning...

 

Don't have to tell me about bad families or parenting...

My father was a sociopath and an alcoholic. I got into drugs at a young age and was homeless at 16.

Being raised in a dysfunctional environment doesn't need to be carried forward generationally though.

I have 3 kids and provide them a very stable home life.

My rough childhood provides me with a unique perspective on family and society. Most young people today lack the broader understanding of the importance of family in a society.

That said, their lack of understanding isn't an accident.

 

My children and grandchildren are my greatest joy. I wouldn't trade them for anything in the world.

 

yes, i agree that parents can screw things up, however, that is the opposite to my posts... there are instances, just as frequent, where the children turn out badly, even though they were loved & nurtured, given attention, et al. as for the converse, i've also seen kids that were totally abused, ridiculed throughout their childhood, yet they grew into mature, caring, loving, & productive adults and raised respectful & loving children of their own... one does not equate to the other, there's no universal 'rule' that states "this is how your kids will turn out because you..."

 

I don't agree with that, and I think statistically, empirically, that it is well established that kids raised in 2 parent (mother and father) homes are much better off by every psychological and socioeconomic measure.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule - I am one myself. My children know nothing of my tough upbringing. I haven't even told them who their biological grandfather was. As far as they know, my stepfather is their biological grandfather.

 

"better off' doesn't exclude psychopaths... rearing has little to do with why some are monsters...

 

That is happening right now in America.

 

So what's your solution?

FORCE people to marry, breed, and stay married no matter what??


Is that your version of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

 

Take government out of the equation.

The left's "War on Poverty" was really a war on the family unit. They went out as an army of social workers and told young women they could have all the kids they wanted, and the government would pay them for it.

One catch though - the woman couldn't have a husband and the children couldn't have a father.

As Thomas Sowell says, "the black family survived decades of slavery and discrimination, but completely collapsed in one generation under the welfare state."

That is not an accident.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So what's your solution?

FORCE people to marry, breed, and stay married no matter what??


Is that your version of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Balderdash !



....now could you address my post ???


FoxHastings said: ↑
So what's your solution?

FORCE people to marry, breed, and stay married no matter what??


Is that your version of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

 

You don't know much about the subjects of history or socioeconomics do you

ciao

 

YOU aren't able to address or refute my post, it seems weak attempts at insults are the only thing you have

FoxHastings said: ↑
So what's your solution?

FORCE people to marry, breed, and stay married no matter what??


Is that your version of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

 

I have spent thirty six years raising kids I am ready to stop raising kids..

 

I chose "other" because the planet is never in peril due to overpopulation.

 

Nothing embodies these three phrases better than a child, imo.

 

YOU aren't able to address or refute my post, it seems weak attempts at insults are the only thing you have

FoxHastings said: ↑
So what's your solution?

FORCE people to marry, breed, and stay married no matter what??


Is that your version of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Complete post above.


I have no idea how a child "embodies " Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...Those words were meant for everyone, ALL citizens...


So what's your solution?

FORCE people to marry, breed, and stay married no matter what??


Is that your version of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

 

I agree with you. Psychopaths might be extreme but they are still out there.

 

I already have 2 kids and love them dearly, Id never suggest people not have any.
I do worry about overpopulation. What's the point nowadays of having 6 or 7 kids. Who wants to live in a society thats packed in like sardines. What a miserable existence that would be.