To those of you who are wearing masks in public.

What countries have not had corona cases?

The hot spots in South America have leaders that have failed to protect their countries?

what country do you live in?

 

Protecting your nation means doing whatever it takes. It means using all available resources - including your military if necessary. It means very high levels of public compliance - whether voluntary as in Japan and South Korea, or via law as in New Zealand and Vietnam. It means overriding territorial/state differences in the interests of citizen safety and a faster return to commerce and activity.

Europe (with one or two exceptions), the UK, and America, all failed to protect their citizens. They all chose to do as little as possible, rather than everything that needed to be done. They simply surrendered. That uncharacteristic (yet ultimately unsurprising) surrender will be dissected long into the future, you can be sure of it. It's already begun.

 

So, Governor Cuomo gets a free pass on this? Why has Gov Newsome done a far superior job than Cuomo? Please explain the territorial/state difference there.
Could you also explain “hot spots” and how these vary from state to state.

The President deployed Coast Guard medical ships along with National Guard.

What does “surrender” mean? Population of the world and how many deaths, so far? How many have recovered?

lastly, what country do you live in?

 

I have no idea what the (petty) local concerns of America are, I'm not American. This pandemic is GLOBAL, and the only way we can view it is globally. Compare country to country.

Surrender means to decide you're too weak or too fearful for the fight. It means to lie down and wait for death, instead of fighting back.

 

Why are you afraid to state what country you live in? That seems pretty weak.

I already mentioned the hot spots in South America and asked you if those leaders of those countries also failed. You neglected to answer that. Compare Sao Paulo to New York City and then San Francisco.

New York and California are not “petty” and not local. They are states. Both had hot spots and dealt with it differently. That will be studied for years to come.

‘Lay down, surrender and wait for death is symbolic of waiting for the ruling government party to dictate where, when, and how I can live my life.

 

Most of the regulars here know where I am, and besides - I don't trot it out on demand. Look into it, or use your imagination. I'm not Canadian, I speak English, and am in a country which has had great success with reducing the spread of COVID.

Again, this is about nations. This is a GLOBAL pandemic. What goes on internally in any one nation isn't the point, and isn't relevant in a discussion of global differences.

No, surrender is lying down and waiting for the enemy to have its way with you. That's exactly what Europe, the UK, and America have done. The richest and most able (to fight back) nations on earth, did virtually nothing - while much less wealthy and powerful nations fought like warriors.

 

You're trolling.

 

You could try ebola if you really want to give your immune system a workout.

 

Why was your wife exposing herself?
Was it a N95 mask?

If not, your wife was just as exposed as no mask.

 

@ButterBalls is trolling.

 

That is too bad you cannot answer the question of what country you live in. After all, your country has had great success with this, right?
We already established this is global, and while you disparage Europe, UK, and the US, you seem to ignore the other countries in SA that are currently dealing with hot spots. Does China get a free pass from you?

What goes on internally in cities/counties is absolutely relevant to this discussion and Gov. Newsome’s handling is far superior than Gov. Cuomo’s.

And that is my opinion, just like your last paragraph is all opinion.

The US and my Governor have done far, far more than “virtually nothing”.

 

You don't know how COVID-19 spreads. Here, let me help: don't lick railings.

 

N100 respirators with HEPA filters do because they stop particles smaller than SARS-CoV-2.

 

The block some of the virus.

 

Is there some point to what you're doing?

 

Epidemiologists tracking the virus note that the vast majority of the US is infected with virus that came from Europe - especially to NYC/NJ area and then from there it spread across the USA through the unrestrained travel between states.

No state has virus that came directly from China except those on the west coast. WA (my state) has about 40% European virus coming from the east.

By having travel from China earlier than travel from Europe, the east coast got a murderous dose. Controling that would have required closed international travel and serious limits on travel within the USA. But, we got NO leadership in that way.

Today, NYC and New Jersey have signifiantly reducing virus load.

If one NOW excludes NYC and New Jersey, the number of cases is on the increase throughout the rest of the nation, with serious trouble in the south and midewest.

The USA is not even SLIGHTLY over with this. And, the west coast has been relatively under control throughout.

Cuomo could not block travel to Europe. And, he couldn't even control the fiasco that took place when Trump took action on that border, leaving major compact populations at the airports and a totally overwhelmed and flat out failed federal system of testing.

 

Right. They need an N100 respirator with HEPA filters.

 

You look like some indifferent to the wellbeing of others.

 

This article refutes several of your points. Flights from hot spots flew into 15 US airports.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/disas...ravaged-countries-landed-us/story?id=70025470

If you want to blame Trump, you need to take a really clear view of the cluster fart Cuomo created in NY.

 

Cumo gave better leadership on COVID than did any other governor or other US official. There is ZERO question about that.

He contributed measures of state cooperation. He directed needs. He followed medical advice. He was truthful with citizens. He inspired them to follow recommendations.

I like my own gov and that of CA, but Cuomo was impressive under absolutely incredible duress.

 

YOUR cite points out that the few thousand flights from Europe in March essentially half the travelers landed in NY/NJ.

The rest were spread to about 10 other airports.

Your claim that Cuomo created a problem is not supportable - so it's no surprise you don't evven bother to try.

Good choice!

 

Actually it is safer. Yes, thank you in acknowledging that a wearer needs to know the correct protocol, which is easily remedied.

 

So? What sort of logic suggest I preclude advice from you but then would be better off listening to ignorant charlatans? I fail to see the difference considering your own advice ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

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Did you read the link?

From the link: The data shows that 3,200 flights flew from China to the U.S., including more than 1,000 flights that went to Los Angeles and nearly 500 each landed in San Francisco and New York – all three among the eventual hot spots of the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S. More than 100 flights from China arrived in six other American cities: Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, Dallas, Washington, D.C., and Newark, N.J.

And: The federal government shut down most flights from Europe in mid-March, but by then hundreds of flights from Italy had gone into New York and Miami. Nearly 100 of the Italy-to-Miami flights happened over six weeks in February and early March before the U.S. imposed restrictions. March’s flights from Italy also went to large airports in Philadelphia, Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, Newark, Los Angeles and Columbus, Ohio.

And: Also in March, more than 400 flights left Spain for 12 American cities. Close to half of those flights landed at two New York City region airports: JFK and Newark Liberty. More than 100 went to Miami. Dallas, Chicago and Los Angeles each took in at least two dozen direct flights from Spain in March.

The flights directly from China, Italy and Spain reached at least 15 states. Additionally, during the same period, the cities that took in at least 100 flights from China, Italy and Spain were the starting point for flights to every state in the country -- potentially exasperating the domestic spread.

With regard to Cuomo, these are pretty telling:

https://www.propublica.org/article/...y-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california

But the timing of New York’s shutdown undeniably played a role in the dire human toll the virus has exacted. In April, two prominent experts said in a New York Times opinion article that their research showed that had New York imposed its extreme social distancing measures a week or two earlier, the death toll might have been cut by half or more.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ical-volunteers-have-pay-ny-taxes/5184670002/

and this: https://www.businessinsider.com/cuo...-coronavirus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-2020-5

 

Trump's not as brave as you, he is so scared he is taking a drug that has not even been proven to work as a preventative and having his staff and everyone that he has contact with tested daily

seeing that fear in Trump does not give others confidence to return to work, at least not without the same testing in their work environment

Trump would wear the mask too, but he fake tan would rub off