Tonight's Democrat Debate....

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ArchStanton, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I noticed that last night.
     
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    Hey Warren's going to make that FREE and give a FREE extra $200 a month in Social Security by a wave of her hand.
     
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    Good thoughtful retort. You're on your game.
     
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    Hold that thought. It's a sure winner.
     
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  5. ArchStanton

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    Should our country's leaders be chosen on superficial things like a welcoming personality? Or should it be their political ideology? Apparently you choose the former?

    Is the Democrat platform so bad that they are running on "great smiles"? Well ain't that grand.
     
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    The "likability factor" has decided more elections than political ideology or issues.
     
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    The only problem is that none of them are in first, second, or even third place. You've managed to field a list of also-rans.
     
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  9. mitchscove

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    They identify as Liberals, they use restrooms assigned to Liberals, but just as men who identify as women, they are what they are. 'Progressives' perhaps is the correct way to describe them as a group, not necessarily that they are progressive. I'm reading about the origins of Progressivism and its history. It's not a pretty picture --- like today's left wing.
     
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    We all know that. Americans who pay attention know that. Sad that way too many have fallen victim to Common Cor(ps)e and many of those who teach our kids are radical.leftists. I have faith in this country. I believe the radicals are still a fringe group who are loud, violent and adept at writing Twitter bots that make them appear huge.
     
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    It could have been thousands and cost nothing if they hadn't gone after Bush for his suggestion to privatize Social Security.
     
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    You are always watching terlits for fun and adventure I see..Progressives are from the right and left, but your ignorance doesn't allow you to know that...
     
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    We backed groups specifically to overthrow Assad.
     
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    https://www.medpagetoday.com/neurology/opioids/78170

    Amazing at the LACK of "stable upbringing" in all those RED states!
     
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    Andrew Yang "automation is going to take all the jobs! Lets give everybody free money"

    Meanwhile in reality we have record automation and unemployment is 3%.
     
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    Of course I know that and I'm not so insecure as to have a need to denigrate others. Leftwing Progressives are a special case, since Liberalism has gone by the wayside. Gallup's 2010 poll even quantifies the number of Conservatives and those who identified as Liberal who also identify as Progressives.
     
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    Do you always set goals in yer life by the Gallup polls? I do mine by observing the actions of the individuals.
     
  18. mitchscove

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    I don't use polls for anything anymore, but have never used polls to set goals. Understand the ideology demographics of the country --- yes. I have found it interesting to observe how a Hitler Youth graduate has been embraced by a party that used to identify as the party that cares.

    I'm wondering ,,,, which of my typed passages did you confuse with "goal setting"?
     
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    Which one graduated as a Hitler Youth member in yer great Trumpish logic?
    The goal setting is easy to decipher you have nothing but echo chamber rhetoric in yer statements.
     
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    To hell
    It's not a partisan issue..... I live in one of those red States and see with my own eyes the kids I went to school with who had rough childhoods are most of the victims of the opioid epidemic. You rarely see kids from farming families get caught up in it
     
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    The moderators and the candidates were all acting just sign an EO and it would be a done deal and even if the Constitution got amended it would NEVER pay for all their spending and enforcement would be nearly impossible.
     
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    "Seventy percent said they supported providing "Medicare for all," also known as single-payer health care, for Americans, according to a new American Barometer survey.

    The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it.

    Fifteen percent said they "somewhat" opposed the measure, while another 15 percent said they "strongly" opposed it.

    The results mirrored a Reuters-Ipsos poll released in August, which also found that 70 percent of Americans supported "Medicare for all."


    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...mericans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care

    https://www.axios.com/support-for-m...rms-2e6da34b-0147-4cb8-83ef-e32f39c1be69.html

    "A Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted from Sept. 29 to Oct. 5 found that 53 percent of adults “strongly agree” that the wealthiest Americans should pay higher tax rates."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/usa...-for-wealthy-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSL2N1MM024

    "An additional 23 percent “somewhat agree” the wealthiest should pay higher tax rates, according to the poll of 1,504 people, which had a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of plus or minus 6 percentage points."

    That means that 76% agree with statement - 53% strongly.

    "Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented. A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues. Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy"

    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

    Your incantation of notions like "freedom" and "liberty" are little more than right-wing memes with little meaning outside your own imagination and are really meant to shut down discussion of what Americans say they really want. In reality, there is a strong tendency for average Americans to support progressive public policy though this support is largely drown out because conservative voices are much more loudly heard in the current political climate in the US. This is documented in the Princeton study on Economic-Elite Domination of American politics which I have linked just above.
     
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    So when Pelosi, Schumer, and Hoyer arranged to have the media waiting for them to leave the White House long before the end of the meeting today, it was because the conservative voices were loudly heard. When ABC represented night time firing practice in Knob Hill Kentucky as the Kurds being fired on, it was because of those same loud voices. You are a comedian.
     
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    Pelosi, Schumer and Hoyer do not represent progressive voices. The are the mainstream of the corporate wing of the Democratic party and have the same contempt for progressive voices as you do and in fact, once you get past the political theatre, they represent the same coporations and wealthy elites that Republicans do.

    I'm glad you find me amusing but you still don't understand that there is little difference between mainstream Democrats and Republicans other than Dems tend to be a little more moderate on social issues. Other than that they serve the same masters and produce largely the same policies using the same lies and theatrics to distract the masses.

    Did you have any comment on the polls or study that I linked or is it just more name-calling?
     
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    I don't buy into polls. They are all skewed. If you believe the polls, Trump had a 2.5% chance of winning in 2016.
     
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