Trump administration to expel Chinese graduate students linked to China’s military schools

This doesn’t mean that Leftist Communism can fix it.

Not really, and so what?

That’s just the technical perspective. From a realist point of view, China mostly rose because Communist ideology in general has been expressed through mass-information mediums like the media and academia for decades.

I’ve found that the younger a person happens to be, the more they appear to hate the United States, regardless of his/her nationality. That’s because the intensity and exposure to Communist thinking is more pervasive today than it has ever been throughout the world.

This perspective for example is a byproduct of the Leftist indoctrination that I was referring to. It doesn’t matter what you or the world thinks about Trump. All that matters is what Trump thinks of himself. This concept is inherently antithetical to Communist ideals, which is why Trump is always outmaneuvering his opposition.

I don’t think having a “dysfunctional economy” would make one the economic leader of the world. Again, you referring to the Communist playbook without even knowing it.

You are attempting to paint and project a picture of what you think must be the situation given what you’ve been taught, even though reality is not reflecting your ideals.

This is why opposition to Trump is so fierce, particularly on a world-wide level. People need to shout and yell at Trump as loud as they can, in the hopes that their narrative is accepted as truth. Why? Because it makes people anxious when their narrative isn’t fitting the truth.

There you go again. You want a Communist revolutionary to “take charge.”

They tried to kill the Truth, just like you are attempting to do so now.

 

We have a multipolar world right now, it's just not that obvious yet since we have not yet had the kind of crisis that reveals it, so it seems that everyone is pretending this is 1992, and the US is the sole hyperpower. We've gone down hill quite a bit since then and eventually circumstances will show it.

 

If they don't win? Then that day is pushed back a little bit, and then who knows what will happen. China's rise isn't pre-ordained, but it's been blessed by extremely stupid leadership among it's geopolitical and economic rivals. That luck may continue long into the future.

 

You may have "proved" it in other threads, but it has nothing to do with the topic in this thread. And I've discussed it plenty in other threads, but again, it has nothing to do with this thread.

Your problem is that you can't recognize that.

 

CHINA IS ASHOLE: Coronavirus ‘Key Information’ Withheld by China, Leak Shows.

“Confirming what many had suspected, recordings leaked to the Associated Press show that Communist Chinese strongman Xi Jinping’s government ‘sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome,’ of the novel coronavirus ‘for over a week after multiple government labs had fully decoded it.’ As a result, health officials at WHO, in the U.S., and around the world were missing ‘details key to designing tests, drugs and vaccines’.”​

 

You're problem is that even when nazi's run around being armed to the teeth protecting their pro-slaver monuments.... than you're like "what racism?" When a white person yells "go back to your own country" to some ethnic minority, you again go like "what racism?". It is of no wonder you can't link people linking a countries name with a deadly disease with harassment of minorities like "go back to that country".

You really can't recognize a thing.

 

And all of that connects to the topic how?

 

But how will YOU fix the festering race-based sore in the US that occasionally erupts spectacularly...?

Obama did nothing to fix it ( as I heard someone on radio say to Biden yesterday).

And Trump is obviously more concerned to maintain US superiority over China than to deal with this perennial problem in the US, destroying the US's credibility as a beacon of democratic ideals (just in case you hadn't noticed...)

 

China (along with Iran) have only been faking it this entire time. They can fool the world, but they can’t fool themselves.

 

You can’t fix it unless everyone agrees to be honest about race, which they won’t.

Since no one wants to be honest about it, Trump has to invariably appeal to the human spirit, which transcends race. His constant appeals to the “American spirit” and “Christian spirit” aim at bridging all potential racial gaps, in the pursuit of that which is greater.

 

"Honest about race"? (You mean: blacks aren't as 'capable' as whites?)

It's not only about race, since some white people also experience entrenched systemic poverty. It's about the economic system.

In 2016 Trump seemed to be offering some hope that he would improve the economic conditions for blacks:

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison..." ....vote for me!....

But like Obama, he has failed to fix the festering problem of black - and white - disadvantage.

Hence the current riots, begun by an unlawful homicide (committed by a policeman supposed to protect "law and order"), fuelled by the economic frustration and demoralisation which is permanently experienced by a large proportion of blacks.

Not a good look for "the beacon of democracy"...

 

Please expand on what you mean, since reading your comments, it is clear to me that I fundamentally disagree with you on too many issues to count, yet I can't quibble with this sentence either. In other words, I agree that people (of both dominant political stripes and many of its offshoots in America and, more generally, the West) need to learn be "honest about race" and they aren't, yet I don't think we both have the same idea what that 'honesty' would entail.

That is really absurd: what Trump appeals to is the racist sentiments of his base, not the "human spirit", "which transcends race". The only thing I will give Trump credit for is that he is transparent. And the fact that: despite being one of the most self-centered, egotistical, petty, intellectually lacking, public figures we have seen in a long time, his penchant to repeat and promote "fake news" and "lies" to 'defeat' any person or group he thinks has crossed him somehow, does not extend to promoting (or engaging in) thoroughly dishonest, hypocritical, moralizing judgments from the typical propaganda narratives which have been embedded in American political culture. As a result, when Trump talks about Putin and Russia, he is actually often more honest than his enemies on the left or right of the political spectrum in the US. Even when he talks about Iran, Trump (as opposed to his administration and the many of the most brazen liars who work under him and which he has let loose) usually avoids the same kind of hypocritical propaganda lines that others use as a crutch to justify themselves.

Trump is the last person to really try to appeal to anything that is about transcending immediate personal and political interests. He appeals to nothing except that which exists and he wants to use to further himself and his interests. What you say is just totally off.

 

Everyone is just "faking it" and some more than others. Iran, in fact, is the only place you will find some people in high political office who aren't trying to "fake it", even if there are too many 'fakes' even in Iran.

 

Ask yourself that when reading your post #63

 

I don't think this deserves its own thread, but it deserves mention. And I guess it is relevant to what we have been discussing in this thread:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200603-iranian-scientist-freed-by-us-back-in-iran-reports
Iranian scientist freed by US back in Iran: reports

The Americans claimed it was Iran that was not cooperating on his release, when in fact, they were holding him as a hostage to trade with prisoners convicted of crimes in Iran.

Apparently the dual nationals held by Iran have names, but the ones held in America don't!

 

No, but that there are clear differences among racial groups that most people are uncomfortable speaking about. Of course, it makes it extra difficult when modern science has been hijacked by the same leftist elites who control everything else....

This is a Communist perspective, in that it pins all the reasons for poverty on the capitalist economic system, ignoring all other major and non-material factors. For example, one major reason as to why many are financially struggling is because schools don’t teach people how to generate and maintain wealth. They’re teaching them pointless communist crap like gender studies....

Indeed, as such circumstances call for a second Enlightenment. One person alone can’t fix it. There needs to be a whole paradigm shift...but not towards communism.

You need to understand that not everything has to have an intellectual and academic reason for its existence (but your ego can’t help it). This is why people who actually live in the American projects would outright laugh at your characterization of things, the same way only black peoples are allowed to call other black people stupid.

 

I mean that there are differences in races when it comes to aspects like intelligence, perceptual awareness, physical prowess, etc....

You can’t prove this.

His interests? You see, now you’re projecting your own state of mind (and that of the Mullahs) onto Trump. Trump is a billionaire with a hot wife and loving family. All his interests have already been taken care of. It’s governments in Iran and China who care more about their own political interests than the condition of their peoples.

 

Sure, and the degree to which one is successful in their “fakeness” undoubtedly reflects....

 

Let us assume you are right: so what? There are clear differences between people within each race? There are clear differences between kids in the same family. There are whites who are terrible in math and blacks who excel in math. There are whites who are excellent runners and blacks who can't walk.

Whatever differences matter, in whatever context they matter, it is stupid to use the least reliable measure of those differences to guide anything. If I wanted, for instance, to pick the best math students to attend some college, I wouldn't choose them based on their race: I would choose them based on their performance on math tests. If I wanted to pick the basketball players, I would pick those who are the best. Whatever their race. And the same applies to everything else.

"I think, therefore I am" means that what we can really "prove" is much less than you imagine. If you mean can't convince you, perhaps. But if you mean I can't try to explain what I said in a way that would make many others share that assessment, I don't think you are right.

You imagine that someone who is a billionaire and might not have the same need for more money, has no 'interests". That is patently not true. Trump's interests may not be the same as someone who is still struggling to make enough money to survive or to be able to retire without working, but he certainly has 'interests'. Including an interest to see himself promoted, his ego fed, and being able to get elected and reelected. And a lot more.

 

You say “so what,” and then proceed to talk about race in a matter that clearly wants to ignore the subject. It doesn’t matter if basketball teams have a couple of white guys on the team once in a while; or if the black peoples produce intellectual giants like Malcolm X once every several centuries.

Since your perception of race doesn’t fit the truth, you need to fixate on instances that completely disregard the overall and general trend. Hence, as I previously argued, people like you are not yet ready to honestly discuss the race issue.

That still doesn’t disprove the general trend.

Go ahead, explain. I’m all ears.

But you’re saying that his interests are totally personal and material based. So far, we’ve only seen the governments in Iran and China reflect that condition.

After all, Shiites (and Iranians) happen to be a rather insecure peoples with very low self-esteem, considering that they were persecuted for centuries. Their attempts at regional domination today are mostly due to them trying to prove something about their own selves, and nothing about any perceived “injustices” or “oppression.”

They and the Chinese want to show the world that they’re more than just Shiites or Asians, because that’s how they really see themselves. It’s just they (and the world) would rather project all that insecurity and incompetence onto Trump, just so they won’t have to look in the mirror.

That never works, however, which is why Trump is always outmaneuvering them. What they (and you) invariably get wrong about is that Trump doesn’t give a **** about what anyone or the world thinks.


But Iran and China do.

 

It is not about proving or disproving anything. It is about focusing on whatever real issue of merit you what to distinguish between people, and finding the most reliable way to make those distinctions, as opposed to using things which are too unreliable. And which will leave too many people unfairly benefiting and too many unfairly prejudiced by it.

I reject the idea that Iran is trying to 'dominate' anyone or the region. But, beyond that, let me cover the actual historical facts you need to understand better:
First, Iran is home of the main empires that had dominated the region since recorded history. After the Arab conquests, however, the "Persian throne" had fallen to the hands of the new Arab upstarts. In this process, "Shia Islam" became a vehicle, among other things, to challenge the authority and legitimacy of the early Arab caliphates. For that reason, many Persians gravitated towards it early on. And while they managed to unseat the Arab caliphate of the Ummayad dynasty, and replace it with the more Persianate Islamic caliphate of the Abassids, the Shia continued to deny legitimacy to the caliphate and were persecuted for it. Iran, however, did not really become a Shia state until the 16th century during the Safavid dynasty -- and that had nothing to do anymore with the earlier persecution of the Shia by the Arab caliphates. It had a lot to do with things which I had assumed you would know. By rallying behind the Shia banner, and choosing to become Shia under the Safavid, Iran was able to resurrect its claim to the old throne of Iran. And to use that to challenge the new rulers in Anatolia, the Ottomans. As a result, for several centuries, the wars Iran had once fought against the Roman and Byzantine rulers in Anatolia were now replaced by wars between Iran and the Ottoman empire. Over pretty much the same territories. And while those wars had their ups and downs for both sides, I am pretty sure Iran held its own Even Iraq, which Iran lost to the Ottoman empire in the 17th century by virtue of the Treaty of Zahab, was eventually won over by Iran in a different way. After Iran defeated the Ottomans in the Battle of Erzerum in 1821, it didn't seek to redraw the territorial line. Instead, it won concessions that allowed Persian clerics to freely proselytize the Shia religion in Iraq and have Persian clerics in Iraq free of the jurisdiction of Ottoman courts. In the process, while Iraq figuratively was under Ottoman rule, spiritually and otherwise, it had fallen back into the Iranian sphere when Iraqi tribes in the 19th century began to convert to Shia Islam instead.

In the meantime, the Ottoman empire (which itself had started out in its zenith as a Persianate Society) eventually fell in decline and, like the rest of the Muslim world, found itself behind the West. In the process, the Persianate Ottoman state began to become more of a Turkish state, following the nationalist ideologies that it was being exposed to from Europe, and its rulers began to follow the course we saw elsewhere in the Muslim world: adopt westernized culture and practices and even beliefs. And by this time, instead of understanding history through the kind of accounts that they had relied on previously, such as the Shahnameh of Ferdowsi, they began to follow different ideologies from the West, including many of its worst ones.

Can't deal with everything you raise, but let me say this about China: Like Iran, and unlike almost any other country in the world, China is a continuous civilization that has been around as long as history has been properly recorded. Like Iran, and much of the East, they had a period of decline as the Western civilization outstripped the others and European countries came to China's shores. The Chinese began their quest to reject Western domination through a western ideology, intermingled with Chinese notions, have gone through a period of pretty much conceding the Western cultural and political predominance, while lifting themselves up as a mercantile state. Eventually, however, China and other cultures with something to contribute, will contribute and not simply act as copy-cats.

 

So you don't know. At least I'm not disappointed.

 

That's certainly true. That's why he's managed, almost single handedly, to cut a different economic and political course with regards to China; in opposition to the entire US political and economic establishment, and of course, the rest of the world.

I can't think of any other President in American history who could have managed that. Of course, it may not last after he's gone, but we'll have had a clear policy option demonstrated.

 

you posted post 63. So you know... you don't know it yourself.
No surprise.

 

I’m not arguing to distinguish people according to methods that are strictly ego-based. This is what white supremacists get wrong about the black man, even though they are correct in their assumptions that black people have less cerebral intelligence than most other races.

What they invariably fail to realize though is that black people make up for that with their extremely high perceptual sensitivity, something which the white-man is generally severely lacking in.

Using a non-ego approach to racial divisions is the only way for all parties involved to walk away with something, and feel happy about themselves, minus the lynching and rioting.

Of course, this is also helps explain why they fear Mr. Trump. He’s not your average white guy. He’s the leader of the Western world, but doesn’t read Plato or Locke. What he can do however is read his surroundings and opposition exceptionally well, although his enemies are completely ignorant of him having that ability.

I have no qualms with Iran being a Shiite state. I even encourage it. However, unlike the Sunnis, they are a minority, and always have been. Ergo, they exhibit particular psychological qualities and characteristics that can be seen in other minorities in completely different societal and ethnic contexts, like for example blacks in America.

Insecurity. Low self-esteem. Arrogance. All of this is reflected on a national level in the form of anger and frustration and violence. For what is a nation but a conglomerate of its individual persons? Indeed, you may say that Iran doesn’t want to dominant the region, and that may be the truth. But as the Qur'an says, “Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.”

Iran is pushing above it’s weight. That’s why it keeps losing. That’s why it keeps messing up and shooting down airliners. That’s why Iran is being increasingly isolated (especially financially speaking) around the world, and is slowly giving in to US pressure. More so, that’s why its proxies all over the ME have lost major influence. For instance, Hezbollah in Lebanon is more unpopular than it has ever been. Iran has been trying to bait America for a while now, but Mr. Trump is not going to take it.

Mr. Obama took the bait, but that’s what happens when it’s more about personal gain than being in harmony with the truth.

I don’t consider it to be a Western ideology, but a Jewish one, although that’s for another thread.

In any event, China had its chance but blew it with corona. Unless it shows the West some major concessions soon, it’ll soon be remembered as yet another absolute communist failure (yes, I know it’s not “real” Communism).