Trump & America win again. USA/Canada/Mexico tease deal reached.

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  1. MAGA

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    Trudeau is making canoes great again.

    Trump is MAGA...
     
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    Just finishing this deal is a win for America. Wasn’t high priority, but any improvements are a win.

    Now to important issues like tort reform
     
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    nope. He didn't get anywhere near what he wanted.

    The quota's were upped to a bit more than the TPP and CETA quotas (minor win).

    But he did get a "win" on ultrafilered products and that will bring in a couple few hundred million.

    As for subsidies, Canada wasn't going to do anything on them if the US wasn't going to do something about their massive agricultural subsidies. But that is another story trump doesn't want to talk about.

    So his BIG win was a few hundred million in dairy and egg products and a couple years additional bio-patent protections. Oh and we still have supply management.

    He didn't get a centimeter on dispute resolution.
    He didn't get squat on cultural protections.

    Meanwhile we got the right to ship even more auto parts and vehicles than we have ever produced before. Now that is some huge trumpian win, wot?
     
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    They're (USA) making great canoes in Winona, MN, Rock Island, IL, Lebanon, MO, Denver, CO, Amesbury, MA, Oakland, MD, Merrill, WI, Atkinson, ME, Old Town, ME, and other places.
     
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    NAFTA was never intended to include agriculture. Those issues were handled one on one between the countries.

    I am not sure what value trading concessions on cars for selling more milk is.
     
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    you don't know if it's good and why. But since Trump signed it,.. is "amazing"?


    lol
     
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    Last time I started a thread on this, many were saying Canada would never budge on the dairy issue.

    Looks like they did.
     
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    Gee you seem to have forgot about wins for the Auto Manufactures, Steel and Aluminum industries. Among others.
    Auto making
    The new three-country pact would require auto makers to build a greater portion of a car in North America and with higher-wage workers to avoid duties when a car crosses borders. That would be a relative win for Detroit’s Big Three auto makers, which rely heavily on factories in Canada and Mexico for the U.S. market and can now move forward with factory investments with greater clarity. Car makers from Europe and Asia with plants in Canada and Mexico would also get more clarity, but provisions about local components and export limits could complicate operations. The deal also would be a win for American auto workers and their labor unions.

    New rules would require at least two-fifths of a vehicle that is eligible for duty-free trade in North America to originate from workers earning at least $16 an hour. Think of it as a cap on the amount of parts coming from low-wage Mexico. But companies would get credit for high-wage research and development.

    Agriculture
    Farmers and agribusinesses welcomed the agreement, as it would likely preserve tens of billions of dollars in farm goods traded annually across the countries’ borders. It also should prompt the U.S., Canada and Mexico to each remove tariffs on one another’s products that have hurt U.S. prices for pork, cheese and other foodstuffs. Mexico and Canada have become critical pillars of demand and supply for the U.S. food and agriculture industry since Nafta took effect in 1994.

    Meanwhile, U.S. dairy farmers got what they asked for with Canada agreeing to drop its complex “Class 7” quota and pricing system, which limited imports of certain dairy products from the U.S. That is likely to win praise from lawmakers from milk-rich U.S. states, but it could have political ramifications in Canada.

    Manufacturing
    U.S. manufacturers welcome anything that precludes further disruption for companies that have spread their operations and supply chains across the continent in the past quarter-century.


    “Manufacturers are extremely encouraged that our call for a trilateral agreement between the United States, Canada and Mexico has been answered,” said Jay Timmons, chief executive of the National Association of Manufacturers, in a statement. Manufacturing trade groups said they would scrutinize specifics of the deal as they are released.

    Steel
    The agreement would leave in place Trump administration tariffs on imported steel and aluminum, as U.S. negotiators have insisted that any changes to U.S. duties on steel and aluminum that took effect in June be addressed separately from a broader trade deal.

    U.S. trade negotiators will face pressure from domestic steel producers to keep in place a tariff that has given them leverage to raise prices. Those higher prices have allowed U.S. producers to improve margins and expand production at domestic plants. Steel and aluminum trade groups didn’t respond immediately to requests for comment on Monday.
     
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    So you think America's bad when gas prices are high? That's pretty self-centered and completely lacking in awareness of how politics works.

    Prices of things like fuel is determined by supply and demand. It has **** to do with politics
     
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    You seem as familiar with personal insults as you are with the plural form of "you".

    People who seek to diminish or dismiss completely the incredible accomplishment that works in America's favor.
     
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    Incredible accomplishment? You're quite easy to impress. Meanwhile we still have trips on steel, aluminum, and timber. Those are bad for Americans. Trump has done sh**.
     
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    Joe, U.S.-Canada dairy dispute equates to POINT 2% of overall trades.

    Thus, would anyone divorce their spouse because he/she won't put the cap back on the toothpaste?
     
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    Trump also vowed to eliminate their 'very unfair" dairy industry supply-management system, and he didn't!
     
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    Yeah, it's like the old one, just billions of dollars better.

    Same same really.
     
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    Is the spouse a leftist?
     
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    We won! No details of course, we just won!
     
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    He has created a business environment where job growth is good, employers are struggling to find workers, where wage growth has started to expand nicely, and consumer and business confidence is high.

    Not much in your opinion?
     
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    Yeah sure Buddy....
     
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    His hats talk? That's a new one...
     
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    Answer is: Elect Trump..
     
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    So you are skeptical that supply and demand affect price? Do you economics? Did you forget to how to people?
     
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    We know Trump wants a good deal for America.

    Which is why the Democrats automatically hate it
     
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    It not only talks. It makes Libs cry.
     
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