Trump Approval / Disapproval - a fine point to watch

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  1. Statistikhengst

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    LOL LOL LOL LOL

    ROFL!!!!
     
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    The FACT that you admit these councils are just symbolic is a BIG part of what I wrote.

    Thank you for acknowledging that.

    They simply don't matter.

    In general, people who volunteer to serve on these PART TIME councils do it for a few photo ops with the president and some good publicity.
    They did not sign up to oppose a mob out to smear the man who organized the council for some unrelated nonsense.Better for them to resign and duck the controversy.

    Whether resigning is the act of a coward, or someone who is prudent doesn't matter. It is forgotten in a few days anyway.

    The post claiming this would wreck Congress's tax reforms is simply ignorant.

    In the meantime, the people who do the real work (Dept of Labor, Dept of Commerce, Dept of Energy, Interstate Commerce Commission...) will continue without the spotlight. They are the ones putting together PRESIDENT TRUMP'S agenda to make America great again.

    They have done a very good job so far.

    Hotheads?

    Hotheads of all stripes are common. They were out in force in this little town in Virginia dancing around an old statue that means one thing to one person and another thing to someone else.

    I did not mention authoritarianism, dictatorship and fascism in my post but since you did I will say they are just names created out of thin air when people who cannot THINK of what to say SHOUT instead.

    Only a paranoid, the Mass Hysteria (I mean Media), or a die-hard Trump Hater would think fascism is a dangerous force in America.

    What counts is the VOTE as PRESIDENT TRUMP demonstrated last November.

    Think about that seriously if you want to win.[/QUOTE]
     
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    A President should never hear about a poor approval rating. No. No. Never!


    It might cause the President to commit some military aggression that always boost approval.
    Even if its' a missile attack and not really boots on the ground.
    But, it has to be "grand". Not just another :yawn: bombing run.

    It worked for the Bushies and Bubba Clinton too.
    Obama taking out Saddam was probably worth a few points.
    I don't think more troops into Afghanistan or Iraq is going to do it.
    Americans like new wars. Not those sinkholes.
    That's how to boost Presidential approval and should not be triggered on the President with bad news about approval rating


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

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    There is no need to acknowledge anything: the word "advisory" is probably a pretty big clue, plus the fact that they were neither nominated and approved by the US-Senate nor were they elected.

    So, let's put that point aside: that is not a victory, neither for you nor for me. If you think that that is what debate is about, then I feel truly sorry for you.

    As for your opinion that those people don't matter, I would beg to differ. The first advisory council I can remember was called into existence in 1987, under then-Pres. Reagan, his presidential advisory council on HIV/AIDS.

    A lot of the rest you wrote makes not much sense.

    It doesn't take a "Trump Hater", as you describe it, to see that nazism / white supremacism is on the rise since Trump's election.

    The fact that many people of many different stripes, political affliations, beliefs, races, creeds etc are distancing themselves from Pres. Trump and his truly hateful rhetoric should tell you something. Only a die-hard Trump Lover would not be willing to admit this phenomenon.

    It will remain a fact that Pres. Trump called, per EO, the Presidential Advisory Council on Infrastructure into existence in May of 2017 and disbanded it in August of 2017 before it could even begin to do something. Worse yet, he disbanded it in the middle of his so-called "Infrastructure Week". Those are now historical facts. It's not just bad optics, for which one can forgive any President, assuming he doesn't do it every week. But with Pres. Trump, it has been one misstep after another every single week of his presidency. It's kind of a shame, because I actually support what he wanted to do to revamp the infrastructure of the USA. It was probably the one area where, had he been smart about it, he would have found broad concensus. But no, he had to go and shoot himself in the rhetorical foot even on this one. His ego was just too large to let go about Charlottesville and his loose-cannon mouth turned off so many high-powered players, they just don't want to be around him anymore. Had he actually cared about the country instead of his own extremely tender ego, he wouldn't have equated anti-nazi protesters with nazis themselves, he wouldn't have tried to call Heather Heyer's family IN THE MIDDLE OF HER FUNERAL, he would have called yesterday's anti-nazi protesters (around 35,000) in the great city of Boston "anti-police" when in reality, the anti-nazi protesters by and large worked with police yesterday, even graciously assisted in escorted the 150-200 measly nazi pigs out of the park since they were terrified to see 35,000 people standing against them and peed their pants, which is pretty much par for the course for nazis. Pres. Trump is his own worst enemy.

    Your second to last sentence is, of course, seriously flawed. What does not count is the vote from last November, what counts is what a new President does with the time he has to actually lead this country. President Trump has signed not even one single piece of major legislation since he assumed the oath of office in front of an inauguration crowd that was - in opposition to the broad lie he spoke the very next day - not even close to the size of the Obama inauguration crowd from January 2009. The trophy he so wanted, namely, the repeal of Obamacare, was a failure not just once, not just twice, but rather, THREE times in the US-Senate. Actually, the more cogent question would be: has Donald Trump done anything as president other than to golf or troll people in Twitter?

    And now that I took time to respond to you, I would like to remind you of the actual topic of this OP. Thanks.
     
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    [/QUOTE] There are three reasons qualified candidates volunteer for those part time councils.
    1. they were asked by the President of the United States and they feel a patriotic responsibility to serve at the pleasure of the President and do what they can for him. "I was called, I served" No different than volunteering to sign up for military service.
    2. they think they can accomplish something. they genuinely believe that they can provide experience, a perspective and advocate for change effectively on a subject they care passionately about. They want to do good and they think they can.
    3. It looks good on a professional resume and makes them look influential among their peers. they get to hobnob a little with some Washington policy wonks, get some invites they might not otherwise, and they will get a 'thank-you for your service' plaque for their wall at the office.

    Now what does it say about Donald Trump and his administration that the experience is so unpleasant and jading that nobody is willing to attend even part time meeting for any of these benefits? It means those benefits no longer apply in his administration. Its now unproductive, seen as unpatriotic and outright embarrassing to be associated with this group of bigots, fools and jokes.

    There is no way to make this pig look pretty.
     
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    There are three reasons qualified candidates volunteer for those part time councils.
    1. they were asked by the President of the United States and they feel a patriotic responsibility to serve at the pleasure of the President and do what they can for him. "I was called, I served" No different than volunteering to sign up for military service.
    2. they think they can accomplish something. they genuinely believe that they can provide experience, a perspective and advocate for change effectively on a subject they care passionately about. They want to do good and they think they can.
    3. It looks good on a professional resume and makes them look influential among their peers. they get to hobnob a little with some Washington policy wonks, get some invites they might not otherwise, and they will get a 'thank-you for your service' plaque for their wall at the office.

    Now what does it say about Donald Trump and his administration that the experience is so unpleasant and jading that nobody is willing to attend even part time meeting for any of these benefits? It means those benefits no longer apply in his administration. Its now unproductive, seen as unpatriotic and outright embarrassing to be associated with this group of bigots, fools and jokes.

    There is no way to make this pig look pretty.[/QUOTE]

    Oh brother.

    1) Patriotic Responsibility?

    You actually compare a mega-wealthy CEO who sleeps in his own bed every night and who serves at a round table maybe once a month with an underpaid private who risk his lives every day and who won't quit over some pique?

    That silliness speaks for itself.

    2 and 3). They want to do good?

    If they thought they could accomplish something, why did they drop out so easily? Could it have been their own self-interests were suddenly bruised and they could not handle it?

    Again, a soldiers does not have the luxury of deciding when it is in their best interest to risk their life for their country.

    Trump could easily appoint other execs to serve who are New York corporate types, but why bother? The real work is being done in federal departments like the Dept. of Labor, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Energy, Interstate Commerce Commission...you get the idea.

    Anyway--

    What does any of this say about Donald Trump?

    NOTHING. He is the PRESIDENT and will be until 2020 and probably 2024..

    It does say A LOT about the Mass Hysteria (I mean Media) which still can't accept the fact that he made fools out them and those who lay at their feet last November. The anger drips from the posts of Trump Haters and commentators on cable.

    The media and those who lay at their feet have been itching for payback since the election. After several failed attempts, they think you have found it by promoting this hysteria?.

    FAT CHANCE.

    BTW:

    I have decided to volunteer myself.

    I have noticed that White Nationalists stealing flags from dead causes (Stars and Bars, the Swaztika) and tacking them onto their weird agendas. I assume it is because they lack the intelligence to create their own,

    I wrote this song because Trump Haters who can't do any better. Here it is.

    (SUNG TO THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL FIGHT SONG)

    Smear, smear
    The gang's all here
    Like to pander, like to grump
    Like to slander Donald Trump
    Spin Spin
    The spin is in
    Everybody, let's join in.

    Sing it at rallies. I won't tell anyone where you snitched it.
     
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    Oh brother.

    1) Patriotic Responsibility?

    You actually compare a mega-wealthy CEO who sleeps in his own bed every night and who serves at a round table maybe once a month with an underpaid private who risk his lives every day and who won't quit over some pique?

    That silliness speaks for itself.

    2 and 3). They want to do good?

    If they thought they could accomplish something, why did they drop out so easily? Could it have been their own self-interests were suddenly bruised and they could not handle it?

    Again, a soldiers does not have the luxury of deciding when it is in their best interest to risk their life for their country.

    Trump could easily appoint other execs to serve who are New York corporate types, but why bother? The real work is being done in federal departments like the Dept. of Labor, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Energy, Interstate Commerce Commission...you get the idea.

    Anyway--

    What does any of this say about Donald Trump?

    NOTHING. He is the PRESIDENT and will be until 2020 and probably 2024..

    It does say A LOT about the Mass Hysteria (I mean Media) which still can't accept the fact that he made fools out them and those who lay at their feet last November. The anger drips from the posts of Trump Haters and commentators on cable.

    The media and those who lay at their feet have been itching for payback since the election. After several failed attempts, they think you have found it by promoting this hysteria?.

    FAT CHANCE.

    BTW:

    I have decided to volunteer myself.

    I have noticed that White Nationalists stealing flags from dead causes (Stars and Bars, the Swaztika) and tacking them onto their weird agendas. I assume it is because they lack the intelligence to create their own,

    I wrote this song because Trump Haters who can't do any better. Here it is.

    (SUNG TO THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL FIGHT SONG)

    Smear, smear
    The gang's all here
    Like to pander, like to grump
    Like to slander Donald Trump
    Spin Spin
    The spin is in
    Everybody, let's join in.

    Sing it at rallies. I won't tell anyone where you snitched it.[/QUOTE]


    1. I did not compare them to soldiers I compared them to people who volunteered for the military. Their wealth is not relevant, but their age is. you don't know which ones were or were not privates or did or did not serve in the military, but I can guarantee you none of them can serve at the military at this age. So this is what they can do.

    2. Because the fool they were working for has not so much as seen them, or had any member of his administration see them, or made an appointment to see them in the future, or done anything with their ideas or requests. He won't even listen to his paid advisors. It does not take long if you have been in committees or boards as often as these folks, to know when they are wasting their time and breath when nobody gives a ****. Why keep spinning your wheels just to be embarrassed that you ever were part of this idiots parlor game.

    Don't you get it. They are mortified to have any association with this 'President' and so would any other CEO whether from New York or not. He disbanded his own committees because he is political equivalent the smelly boy, who never takes a shower and picks his nose all day and nobody wants to sit next to him or be his partner for the science project. . He is a pariah, not a president.
     
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    1. I did not compare them to soldiers I compared them to people who volunteered for the military. Their wealth is not relevant, but their age is. you don't know which ones were or were not privates or did or did not serve in the military, but I can guarantee you none of them can serve at the military at this age. So this is what they can do.

    2. Because the fool they were working for has not so much as seen them, or had any member of his administration see them, or made an appointment to see them in the future, or done anything with their ideas or requests. He won't even listen to his paid advisors. It does not take long if you have been in committees or boards as often as these folks, to know when they are wasting their time and breath when nobody gives a ****. Why keep spinning your wheels just to be embarrassed that you ever were part of this idiots parlor game.

    Don't you get it. They are mortified to have any association with this 'President' and so would any other CEO whether from New York or not. He disbanded his own committees because he is political equivalent the smelly boy, who never takes a shower and picks his nose all day and nobody wants to sit next to him or be his partner for the science project. . He is a pariah, not a president.[/QUOTE]

    I Don't get it?

    I think I have picked up a thing, or two.

    First, you don't know what soldiers are or what CEO's think.

    Second, your post is just a collection of self-serving silly semantics, dodges and hate speak for the man who will occupy the White House until at least 2020, probably 2024, and who will work to create a strong economy, a strong national defense and a strong leadership in world affairs.

    He is off to a good start:

    1.The stock market is at record highs and holding.
    2. Unemployment is way down.
    3. He trashed job-killing agreements like TPP. NAFTA and the Paris Accord
    4. GDP went from an anemic 2.1 percent under Obama policies to 2.6 percent in just seven months.
    5. Businesses are starting to bring back jobs to the US. Google announced a $10 billion facility in Wisconsin.
    6. US energy is being unshackled to make the country energy independent and not ransomed by foreign sources.
    7. Illegal immigration is down 70 percent so American, including you, will be able to see salaries rise.
    8. 50 Arab leaders gathered to hear him speak on terrorism
    9. NATO listed to him also and announced they will increase their defense spending.
    10. North Korea's fat kid backed down.
    11. VA rules have been changed so vets will get better care.

    And you want to drone on about some CEO's and how PRESIDENT TRUMP upsets you?

    Who cares?

    PRESIDENT TRUMP doesn't need a vote of confidence from the people he made fools of of last November which apparently includes you. They were sore losers after the election and they are crackpots today..

    The only vote of confidence that will count is the one in November, 2020. So far, it is looking good for him.
     
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    I Don't get it?

    I think I have picked up a thing, or two.

    First, you don't know what soldiers are or what CEO's think.

    Second, your post is just a collection of self-serving silly semantics, dodges and hate speak for the man who will occupy the White House until at least 2020, probably 2024, and who will work to create a strong economy, a strong national defense and a strong leadership in world affairs.

    He is off to a good start:

    1.The stock market is at record highs and holding.
    2. Unemployment is way down.
    3. He trashed job-killing agreements like TPP. NAFTA and the Paris Accord
    4. GDP went from an anemic 2.1 percent under Obama policies to 2.6 percent in just seven months.
    5. Businesses are starting to bring back jobs to the US. Google announced a $10 billion facility in Wisconsin.
    6. US energy is being unshackled to make the country energy independent and not ransomed by foreign sources.
    7. Illegal immigration is down 70 percent so American, including you, will be able to see salaries rise.
    8. 50 Arab leaders gathered to hear him speak on terrorism
    9. NATO listed to him also and announced they will increase their defense spending.
    10. North Korea's fat kid backed down.
    11. VA rules have been changed so vets will get better care.

    And you want to drone on about some CEO's and how PRESIDENT TRUMP upsets you?

    Who cares?

    PRESIDENT TRUMP doesn't need a vote of confidence from the people he made fools of of last November which apparently includes you. They were sore losers after the election and they are crackpots today..

    The only vote of confidence that will count is the one in November, 2020. So far, it is looking good for him.[/QUOTE]





    I don't know much about economics but you know far less. A President has NOTHING to do any economic news for the first 2-3 years of his administration beyond some mild short term superficial market affects. It takes that long before business can incorporate any tax or revenue policies or or economic news or regulatory laws into a business plan including a capital expenditure, property purchase, plan for long term growth or shrinkage, and any major investment that will become job growth. That means this is Obama's economy more than Trumps as it was Bushes for a couple of years of Obama's term, and Clintons long past his departure. Matter of fact this job growth is a continuation of the same pattern that Obama had enjoyed, same with the bullish markets.
    We will actually see the impact of federal policy changes under Trump years down the road and it will be hard to separate his impact from the lingering ones of Obama, congressional impacts, the Federal reserve and international effects from European, Asian and South American influences on the global economy. Nothing dumber than pretending that a President 'owns' the economic news of his first term. Not sure if he owns much of it at all.

    Now I could go point for point but this is not worth my time.
     
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    I don't know much about economics but you know far less. A President has NOTHING to do any economic news for the first 2-3 years of his administration beyond some mild short term superficial market affects. It takes that long before business can incorporate any tax or revenue policies or or economic news or regulatory laws into a business plan including a capital expenditure, property purchase, plan for long term growth or shrinkage, and any major investment that will become job growth. That means this is Obama's economy more than Trumps as it was Bushes for a couple of years of Obama's term, and Clintons long past his departure. Matter of fact this job growth is a continuation of the same pattern that Obama had enjoyed, same with the bullish markets.
    We will actually see the impact of federal policy changes under Trump years down the road and it will be hard to separate his impact from the lingering ones of Obama, congressional impacts, the Federal reserve and international effects from European, Asian and South American influences on the global economy. Nothing dumber than pretending that a President 'owns' the economic news of his first term. Not sure if he owns much of it at all.

    Now I could go point for point but this is not worth my time.[/QUOTE]

    Economics?

    You know nothing about the number one issue (from GDP, to Wall Street, to Main Street, to someone's pocket book) that drives voters to the polls? That would explain why you think gotcha moments and smears are so important.

    Sheesh.

    Gotcha moments catch everyone sooner or later in politics from John Anderson (who fathered an illegitimate child when his wife had cancer) to Hillary (and her deplorables) to Christie sitting on a beach. They all sound crucial for the moment and are forgotten a few days later.

    What COUNTS is the size of the paycheck on the kitchen table with a working man goes to vote.
     
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    Just an easy-to-remember reminder:

    this thread is about approval/disapproval polling for the 45th POTUS....
     
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    Here's an honest question to an easy reminder:

    How can anyone discuss today's polls without comparing them to last November's
     
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    Often, member's postings do not refer to November 2016 at all. Just mud-flinging. For this reason, the reminder.
     
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    So, on August 15th, Trump's approval/disapproval was at: -20.0
    As of today, August 24th, his approval/disapproval aggregate lies at: -17.5
    That is a slight uptick for him, but there is a big caveat in this round of polling. First, the data:

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    So, that's 10 polls in the RCP mix, a pretty healthy polling DNA. Missing is the Morning Consult (R) / Politico approval poll, which shows: Trump-17

    Of the 10 polls, 5 have Trump at close to or above -20: Qpiac, Gallup, Reuters/Ipsos, ABC/WAPO and CBS. Those polls are RV or A polls.

    Of the 10 polls, 4 have Trump in the middle minus teens, between -13 and -16. Please note that the most conservative of those values is from PPP (D), a Democratic pollster whom many on the Right like to flame, but PPP (D) actually shows better numbers for Trump than Rasmussen.

    And then there is one lone poll showing Trump at -7: Monmouth. That poll makes for a 14 difference to either Qpiac or Gallup, something that cannot exist in the same universe. That is too stark a difference. Quite logically, the Monmouth poll is the mathematical outlier here, and a big one at that.

    So, let's temporarily remove that poll and also one of the +24 polls, reducing the polling DNA from 10 to 8. Let's add Morning consult, making for 9, and the average is:

    -17, -14, -24, -16, -23, -13, -19, -13, -22 / 9 = -17.9

    So, if you remove the lowest and highest outlier (the highest is likely not an outlier, 3 others are very close to it), then it's Trump+17.9.

    But for the sake of argument, I will simply keep the -17.5 that RCP has calculated because it doesn't matter all that much. We have never before seen a President this far underwater 7 months into his fledgling Presidency. Whether -17.5 or -20.0, that can only mean that a great majority of the country is not happy with him at all. What is far more telling is that in polling that differentiates between "somewhat disapprove" and "strongly disapprove", the value for "strongly disapprove" is extremely high.

    For instance, even Rasmussen, a very Right-leaning pollster, currently has 47% who "strongly disapprove". The remaining 10% of the total 57% who disapprove are "somewhat disapprove".

    Why is the "strongly disapprove" number so important? Because it more often than not represents a segment of the USA that is not likely to change it's mind anytime soon. So, if you look at it that way, right now, almost 50% of US voters are so turned off by this president, they are not very likely to change their minds.

    Don't forget, from here on out, it only gets worse. All presidents experience some dip in their figures from the first year into the next three of their term. It's like gravity: unavoidable.

    Just to compare:

    August 23rd, 2017, Rasmussen: Trump 41/57, -16, 47% strongly disapprove (of 57%), 24% strongly approve. Index rating = -23
    August 23rd, 2009, Rasmussen: Obama 48/51, -3, 41% strongly disapprove (of 48%), 27% strongly approve. Index rating = -14
    Difference 2017 to 2009, Trump to Obama: -13

    August 23rd, 2017, Gallup: Trump 35/59, -24, approval among Republicans: 79%, among Democrats: 8%, among Is: 31%
    August 23rd, 2009, Gallup: Obama 52/41, +11, approval among Democrats: 86%, among Republicans: 16%, among Is: 49%
    Difference 2017 to 2009, Trump to Obama: -35

    August 21st, 2017, ABC/ WAPO: Trump 39/58, -19, 45% strongly disapprove (of 58%), 22% strongly approve. Approval among Republicans: 80%, among Democrats: 12%, among Is: 34%
    August 19th, 2009, ABC/ WAPO: Obama 57/40, +17, 29% strongly disapprove (of 40%), 35% strongly approve. No stats by party.
    Difference 2017 to 2009, Trump to Obama: -36

    That is a stark difference to exactly this time 8 years ago.

    -Stat
     
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    We've been here before, sports fans, so don't reserve your hotel rooms for that Democratic inauguration in 2020 just yet ....

    In 1980, let's recall, Ronald Reagan carried 44 out of 50 states.

    And then:

    Reagan came into office on a fairly high note, with initial job approval ratings as high as 60% by mid-March 1981. Then, on March 30, Reagan was shot on the streets of Washington by John Hinckley Jr., and the resulting concern and sympathy helped lift his ratings to 68% by May. But even as Reagan personally recovered from his wounds, the public's concerns about the bad economy did not, and the president's ratings began to fall as each month went by.

    By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

    Things got worse for Reagan in 1982. The public's view of the economy remained sour, and the president's ratings during 1982 stayed concomitantly low, in the 40% range, ending the year at 41%. The 1982 midterm elections were not good ones for Reagan and for the GOP. The Republicans lost about 25 seats in the House.

    The President's Republican Party lost seats in the House, which could be viewed as a response to the President's approval at the time. Unlike most midterm election cycles, the number of seats lost—27 seats to the Democratic Party—was a comparatively large swap. It included most of the seats that had been gained the previous election, cementing the Democratic majority.



    So, that was the 1982 midterms. Democrats were high-fiving. The demise of the Republican party was
    at hand! Unfortunately for them,

    In 1984, Reagan won 49 out of 50 states and was re-elected.

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    Trump stinks. All polls - even including the rightist Rasmussen - attest to the consensus.

    Failing miserably with their partisan paranoia defense and desperate digressions, the Trump cult would do better to honestly confront the reality and admit, "Okay, our messiah stinks!"

    Then their less onerous challenge would merely be to defend the stench.

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    Trump's unprecedented, relentlessly dismal public approval numbers could soon define his cult size.

    Some suspected that respect for the temperamentally-unstable narcissist to have reached bottom, sustained by the decent economy he inherited from his predecessor and his bobble-headed devotees, but with his blatant failures regarding Trump®Care that covers "everybody!", his fake wall for which Mexico would pay, his now praising NATO that he had condemned as "obsolete", his surrender of global leadership on climate change, his backing down on his swaggering boast that he would declare China a currency manipulator, and his recently going back on his word to "get out" of Afghanistan, even his most mindless worshippers are drifting away. Will his eminent failures regarding major tax reform and infrastructure renewal drive him even deeper into his seemingly bottomless pit?

    How low can he go?
     
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    I expect his numbers will rebound a bit after Harvey. He seems to be responding well to that.
     
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    So far, so good.

    If he relapses and suddenly starts promoting Trump®Lone Star Water Park Resorts in his tweets, that would only seal his way-under-water polling numbers - which would otherwise happen when income tax reform and infrastructure renewal are added to his series of legislative failures.
     
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    Oh man. Tax reform is bound to be an adventure! An adventure in comedy, at least. The guy went from cheering unworkable health care legislation to attacking members of congress as that failure unfolded. I don't think he had any real idea of what was even in that legislation, apart from making simplistic suggestions to those tasked with writing it, and I expect the same to happen with tax reform. All joking aside, he is just not that kind of thinker and doer. He expects "great people" to do everything for him, on his behalf. He thinks and acts like a third-rate boss at some company.

    It's a shame. Our government can't function well at all with someone like this at the head of it.
     
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    His repeatedly vow for "immediate" repeal of the ACA and replacement with "something terrific!" Trump®Care that covers "everybody!" was followed by his demand that his Republican-controlled Congress pass legislation that would deprive 20 million+ Americans of health care coverage and transfer wealth to the wealthiest. Whether he was capable of acknowledging the gross disparity between his giddy promise and the squalid confection that he cheered, it became painfully obvious that his narcissistic compulsion is to always "Win!", no matter what, and when he LOSES, the corollary is that he must lash out and blame others for his failures.


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    you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, we can’t win anymore.’ ... You’ll say ‘Please, Mr. President, we beg you sir, we don’t
    want to win anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to everybody else!’
    And I’m going to say ‘I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep winning, winning, winning!'"


    His cult cannot fathom why everyone is being so mean to their cry baby messiah.


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    OMG LOL LOL LOL fragging LOL LOL LOL

    Now if only I could see the relationship between your graphic posting and the OP.....
     
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    One week ago, on August 24th, Pres. Trump's approval/disapproval aggregate was at: -17.5
    As of today, it is: -18.1

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    Of the 11 polls in the mix, 4 sind more than -20, and 7 of the 11 polls are at more than -15.

    The lowest approval margin is from PEW, which has the President at -27. Please notice the large size of the survey group. Just a day later, the GWU/Battleground poll came out showing Trump at -11. That is a HUGE difference to -27. So, once again, showing the beauty of math, if we remove the 2 possible outliers (the highest and the lowest margin), reducing the polling DNA from 11 to 9 polls then:

    -14, -15, -26, -17, -21, -24, -13, -19, -13 = -162 / 9 = -18.0, almost exactly the aggregate with both possible outliers in the mix.

    So, the President, going into his 8th month, is at -18.
     
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    Yet another group of polls confirming that the Ocean contains Water and 1+1=2.
     

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