Trump demanded Secret Service let rally attendees in with weapons

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah I know when you can't debate it on the merits of the evidence and the law and the Constitution that is your canned response.

    BTW before a court and before a Congressional inquiry it is a violation of a persons rights to have the officials of the proceeding to insinuate the assertion of your 5th Amendment protections is a indication of guilt. Yet this committee is doing it directly against people who have asserted their right to do so. That could cause any case to be brought against them to be dismissed in court. Is that what you want this committee to be doing?
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Be specific
    What exactly are the key items that are hearsay. Again, how do you know it wasn't vetted but more to the point, it doesn't matter. If she's a proven liar, then SHE'S in trouble. That doesn't really make sense now does it.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Cheney is serving the country well, unlike the ranking member of House Judiciary Committee who is a know liar, covers for sex offenders and is a suspect in the investigation so AGAIN, what sense does it make to have him on it.
    To dismiss her as a sham and her role as a charade shows you have zero interest in democracy and you want nothing else but autoritarianism. Nice to know what you're comfortable with while calling the people trying to save democracy sheep.
    By the way, I just say that Pat Cipollone to testify. I believe he's the other person in the room with the SS agent who told her about the "lunge" incident.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    The SS aren't accused of anything so what is your point.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    The truth will come out. We will see.
     
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    FALSE. One part of her story that she clearly indicated was hearsay, has been challenged.

    That trump wanted to go to the Capitol is not disputed. She heard trump first hand say that he wanted the metal detectors removed so his armed crowd could get in. And there are other witnesses to this that can be subpoenaed.

    This speaks to his knowledge of wanting to lead an armed mob to the Capitol.

    It seems that most of trump's former staff who knew her well or were involved, believe her.
     
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    “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

    Donald Trump

    Considering that you believe that the Commission is unconstitutional, you will understand that I doubt your legal expertise on this issue.

    The goal is obviously to make the evidence public (because the people have a right to know) and to build a case for the DOJ to bring charges against the greatest criminal to ever hold the office of POTUS.
     
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    Yeah, it's a witch hunt by Republican aides and allies and attorneys hand-picked by Trump, testifying under oath against Trump. Yup. Witch hunt. Sure. ....--by a small minority. You really have it in for Republicans and Trump! LOL!!!

    And here's the clincher: there is now plenty of eye-witness testimony, --under oath, --that says Trump said to remove the "mags" and let in the armed thugs to his pep talk in which he said they would go the the Capitol and "fight like hell" ..... ARMED. He wanted thugs armed with AR-15s to go to the Capitol to "fight like hell" to stop a lawful, Constitutionally-required electoral count.

    THAT is an attempted coup and THAT is now very likely to get him prosecuted for attempted insurrection.
     
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    BTW, nobody is denying that Trump wanted to go to the Capitol with the mob, .... --except for one or two posters here.
     
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    Yeah I watched ...... --the entire thing. All of it. And guess what! It's not a court trial or court hearing. So try again.
     
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    Uh, dude, you were the one who brought up the judge. Not me.

    And the courts have supported that they have one.

    I literally had discussions with you were you supported the fake elector plot, but if you have changed your tune, kudos and welcome.

    Congress has some oversight functions. Learn to deal with it.
     
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    How many times have you driven faster than posted limit? Were you ticketed every time? I bet not. But if a cop was following your every movement you probably would have been because, after all, you were guilty.. Now imagine if half a dozen police departments dedicated entire divisions to following you 24/7.
     
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    It’s absolutely a witch hunt, overwhelmingly ran by hyper partisan Dems making radical claims and supporting them with nothing but he said she said. It’s going no where.
     
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    If a cop were following me all the time I wouldn't be over the limit. These guys KNEW they were being followed and did crap anyway because they could and knew they would get a "get out of jail free" card and in the meantime just created chaos and are STILL at it.
     
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    So much intellect squandered on debating a point of 100% fallacy. BTW tne "colwn show" was the corrupt establishment trying to block any benefit at every corner. Biden Admin. (BHO and Susan Rive) ahs been such a sucess.. haven't they, undoing every Trump improvement, if they'd just left Pres Trump's policies in palce they could have claimed overwhelming success.. but as Obama said "never underestimate Joe's ability to f*** in up"
     
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    Nope. Wrong. Wait and see.
     
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    No Trump only has himself to blame. He continually makes loud and charged statements. Anyone who behaves in the manner that he does will receive negative attention.

    If you want, you can try my statement by insulting others and find out how they respond. :)
     
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    Please stop...even the SC got rid of one of his policies today and that's being generous. He didn't have ANY policies, just knee jerk BS. Go ahead and point out just one policy that should have been "left alone". that would have been a "success" now. Good luck
     
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    BLAH BLAH BLAH.. your vitriol towards the BEST President of my lifetime has left you unhinged. Oh how about the Afghan pull out, the Keystone pipeline, woke mil policies, transvestite mental case Surgeon General arguing "the science" , stopping the wall and the illegal immigration policies in general, appointing people on intersectional points rather than merit.. etc...etc..etc....
     
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    You brought up the court. What is the legislative purpose the judge found, quote him.

    Congress does NOT oversee the President or the Office of the President and his advisers. They oversee the departments and officials whom the are required to confirm.
     
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    We don't give up our rights before Congressional committees, you never learned that?

    These government officials including the chair of the committee are stating for the record that anyone asserting their Constitutional rights is assumed guilty of something. That is a violation of those persons rights and as I said I have little doubt that their attorneys are writing down every word of it and it their clients are charge with some crime will take it to a judge and demand a mistrial.
     
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    Wrong case, bud. I'm referring to the court's finding that the committee has a legislative purpose. YOU are thinking of a DIFFERENT case with a DIFFERENT judge that said Clark and Trump likely committed a crime; this was related to subpoena refusals. But, hey, I get that your boy is so corrupt that it is hard to keep all of his corruption straight.

    Congress has an oversight role, as the courts have repeatedly confirmed. If they are going to have the power of the purse, and if they are going to legislate, then they have to.
     
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    They had their impeachment what more do they want? What are we waiting on? The DOJ has been investigating this for a year and a half now and they have yet to file one charge against Trump or anyone on his staff that day. If anyone they have arrested has told them that they were working with Trump on the planning an execution of the riot on Jan 6 where are the charges? Where are those people being called before grand juries. THAT is where an investigation should be happening not some partisan committee that is allowing third party hearsay to be entered as evidence in the record.
     
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    Before a court, you’re right.
    There’s no violation for a Congressional committee to make such an insinuation.
     
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    What is the legislative purpose the judge found, quote him.

    NOT over the President and the Office of the President in carrying out his constitutional and executive duties, they do not confirm the President or members of his staff.
     

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