Trump Preparing for Nuclear War

No - one F117 was downed and another was hit and taken out of commission. An F-16 was also shot down.

The maiden flight of the F117 was 1981. If you want to talk about when the soviet missiles started to be developed we are talking the 1960's or even the 50s.

The point of the story is that Iran has stuff that is way better than that.

 

Their ability to shoot down a drone at altitude of 18km is impressive, but don’t forget that the drones top speed is 300mph, which is significantly slower than a cruising speed of an average airliner.
Besides, we can easily overwhelm their air defenses. And I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t really want things to get to that point.

 

The Have Blue prototypes were flown years before 1981 which shows just what era the technology for the F-117A comes out of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Have_Blue

 

I thought you were a History teacher ? but OK- I suppose one does not know everything about one's chosen field but, this is kind of the basics.

Regardless - The rise Empires often follow a general pattern - technological innovation leads to military superiority which then leads to economic hegemony. There are are too numerous to count examples technological innovation leading to a military advantage. I am sure you are aware of at least a few.

The example I will use is the gatling gun. With one gunship and this technology in general the British could pretty much take over an entire African nation - fighting back with sticks and stones. The Return on Investment was high - and the British were able to take over many nations on the basis of superior technology.

The natural tendency of technology is to spread. Over time that African nation got the gatling gun - which historically turned out to be an even better defensive weapon than it was an offensive weapon (think of a Turret in WW2 defended by machine guns).

When the enemy gets better technology it is no longer sufficient to send one gunship. You have to send an entire armada - and you will take casualties - and this is expensive. The cost of projecting power has increased.

 

The Iranian people have a history of quickly overthrowing governments whenever they really want to.
That would be the best solution to the Iranian problem.

Note that Trump is now demanding that the consumer nations of Iranian and Arab oil help protect the strait. The US would actually gain bigly from the interruption of the flow of ME oil.

Absent an Iranian attack on American forces or citizens the US should avoid war.

 

In other words you have nothing.

1) The British Empire collapsed eventually mostly due to it having to fight two world wars within a generation. Wars which all but bankrupted it.

2) The Roman Empire fell mainly due to migratory pressures that moved so called barbarians into its outer territories (mainly due to the far away Gobi Desert growing larger) and due to the fact that the Romans never developed a method of succession of its leaders that would prevent small (sometimes large) civil wars from breaking out with regularity.

You can ask me questions about any other empire if you wish.

 

It is not my fault that you have no idea what you are talking about and there is no need to lash out at others over your lack of knowledge. The Russians used to build 20 megaton nukes - and still have a few around.

Only an idiot is not worried about the threat of nukes in space would pose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-36_(missile)#R-36

A quick google search prior to saying silly things can help you to not look so silly

 

What did I say that was not correct ? Just because you blubber on about other factors that led to the decline of various empires does not change the fact that the cost of projecting power increased over time as technology spread.

Why would I ask you any questions as you seem to know very little and certainly have lost your capacity to learn ?

 

Russia has 46 R-36M2 ICBMs.

Proved you wrong again!

Oh, yeah and Russians don’t have nukes in space, so let’s talk about it when they really have them.
Also, R-36M2 ICBMs will be decommissioned in 2022.

 

Its easy to falsely claim or infer that someone said something that they did not - and then prove that claim false - aka -"strawman fallacy"

This is the mark of a worthless lost soul that lacks integrity for sure but, the curious thing to me is why someone would bother engaging in such silliness on an internet forum. One can understand this in real life - when there is something to be gained - but on here there is nothing to be gained. It then some kind of mindless irrational self deception.

 

I just like to stick it to Russia-lovers.

 

Its hard to say Iran's capabilities are beyond that which they have proven - such as shooting down a drone. What we do know is that the Serbs were able to hit 3 US military aircraft - an F-16 and 2 F117A. - using 1960 era Soviet missile technology. Iran has much better - missile technology has advanced a whole lot since the computer age.

Iran has some Russian products - not the newer stuff but far more advanced than the stuff the Serbs were using.

At the end of the day I don't think the worry is about our ability to overwhelm their missile defense but, that they will fire missiles at Israel and perhaps El Saud. There is also the possibility that if things get really hectic that Russia may help Iran out which would be bad.

The other problem is that attacking Iran will benefit China and Russia.

 

I can't stand Russia. That does not change the fact that they have the capability to annihilate us. You will often find me debating Liberals when they spout false nonsense with respect to Trump. Just because I don't like Trump is no reason to engage in self delusion - that is an idiotic path.

 

If you had done any research you would know that the primary reasons the Serbs hit the aircraft was due to U.S. laziness and complacency. Using the same air corridor into a war zone repeatedly without employing any countermeasures. And I will note that you have changed your claims about the missile technology used by the Serbians from 1970s to 1960s. Talk about dishonest.

 

And the missile which shot the F-117 down, as well the radar which spotted the F-117 was one generation older as the F-117.

No one with some brain denies that Iran has no real chance to win a full scale war with the USA alone ... means with no serious allies ike Russia or China.
But Iran can bite very heavy back and can cause hurting losses. It is no "military marching" like Iraq 2003!

And aside this we have the Hezbollah in Lebanon, which are allies of Iran and rated to be terrorists by you and Israel ... and they will for sure not take a seat and look only TV how the war is going on between Iran and US.

 

Quite real I assure you.

There is a direct connection between people who are cruel to animals, and cruel to humans. Trump has already shown he has a cruelty streak in him. After all, he rips children away from their parents and throws them in cages. Trying to deny them basic hygiene or any form of education for the months, or even years they may remain in custody.

 

You are being overly dramatic. President Trumps administration isn't doing anything that previous administrations did not do.

And calling detention facilities "cages" is both inaccurate and inflammatory.

 

Contrived belligerence to support an unprovable assertion.

 

Nothing dishonest about it. I knew the missile technology was old - and said 1970's. Upon further review I found that it was even older than that .. 1960's which is the reason for the revision. This only makes my case stronger.

It is you that intentionally distorts the truth in order to try to make your case stronger. I did not do this. I understated my claim initially.

Since you realize this - this only shows how disingenuous and dishonest your claim is.

 

Because of Putin's close relationship with Netanyahu, Russia was invited to a meeting in Jerusalem with the US to discuss the situation with Iran and especially with its presence in Syria. Moscow is representing the concerns of Iran and said that like Russia they were invited into Syria.

The Russians fear that there are some who want to turn Syria a battleground between Iran and Israel - no doubt referring to the US.

This might come as a shock, but the highly respected Journalist Seymour Hersch has on good authority that Trump for all his crassness, obnoxiousness, etc., etc., is not only extremely bright but also very kind hearted. When Trump said that he stopped the attacks on Iran because it would have caused the deaths of approx. 150 people, he probably meant it. According to the Duran this is very different from Obama who relished seeing who the next target of our drones would be.

I recall that when the terrorists had their first false flag attack in order to gain our support after having lost a battle, that Obama was so gung ho about bombing Damascus that he could care less that the city was packed with Christians who had escaped the onslaught of the terrorists. One government official said they had a hard time convincing him to call it off.

I also know that whenever Lavrov and Kerry had a breakthrough for peace in Syria, Kerry would call Obama and that would be the end of that. This is probably why Lavrov said that Kerry was a good man but Obama was pure evil.

Going back a few decades I also remember how Trump hated the snobbishness of his peers in NYC and would always refer to people he had contact with and who were on a lower social level as being 'good people'. It reflected his values.

 

Nuke 'em, and quit worrying about their feelings.

 

Huh? Contrived belligerence? Do you have anything concrete to add or is that the best you can do?

Why even post something this unsubstantial?

 

Why is America's only solution to problems to attack and bomb people?

Why is it your right to destroy regimes you don't like?

 

Google Pomeo's 12 things Iran must do for sanctions to be lifted.

Basically capitulate and give up all sovereignty over your own nation and surrender to American domination over your resources and foreign policy.

 

Americans are so hateful and consumed with violence and greed!

Love to take you to the jungle and fill you up with ayahausca till you puke just to see what the vine would do to your ego. Maybe it would just ignore you as a lost subconscious but it would be interesting to find out.