Trump supporters-change of heart?

I've never been a Trump supporter. But 30% seems about right keeping in mind he received about 70 million votes

 

Yes, and if that holds up, he will have the lowest ratings of any president since Richard Nixon (24% at end of presidency). GW Bush left with very poor ratings - 34% Approval. Looks like Republicans are having trouble controlling the Big Office...

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php

 

I'll wait and see.

 

He prevented Hillary from becoming president and got Neil Gorsuch confirmed in the SC. And the more violent and or silly you're protests become, the less liberals there are in the world, because as other's have said 'his election did cause liberal hate - it exposed it. Keep calling us deplorable - it's working out so well for us.


Not bad for 6 months work. How's that Gitmo thing working out for you?

 

Looks like Democrats are having troubling controlling anything not in California.
This is not as much about President Trump as you think it is.

 

Talk about strawman arguments and missing details!!! You're going on about Mick Jagger???? Is there anything that could possibly be more irrelevant?

My opinion on Trump's behavior is not even the question. It's your opinion I'm asking about.

Clearly you've answered so there's no need for a bunch of claptrap. You are clearly fine and proud of Trump's behavior and will defend it.

A couple details though...the video was altered to show Trump fighting with CNN. A recent event with a recent tweet from Trump. So the original video being "old" doesn't erase how stupid and childish it appears to many people including elected Republicans (the other little detail you continually ignore).

Regarding the "grabbing "p*ssy" comment, I'm not outraged or remotely surprised or shocked that a buffoon such as Trump would make a crass comment like that, but I might have thought that many conservatives/Republicans would be (some are).

Apparently it's perfectly okay as is anything else Trump may say or do or has done. It's all good.

I can't help but think, though, that if someone like him were a Democrat, all this behavior would all of a sudden not be so good.

Can you imagine a rich Democrat billionaire real estate loud mouth land owner from New York who's a reality tv a show biz persona, and has been married multiple times (to models decades younger and foreign!) posting wrestling videos and insulting people, crass comments about p*ssy, etc etc etc?

I guess if ever a person comes along, those aspects and characteristics....all good!

 

As a matter of fact I can: Donald Trump. He known for all those things and was a popular celebrity figure right up until he declared for President as a Republican.

 

No doubt about. The DEMs took a beating in this last election, not just Nationally, but in State elections as well. The 1%ers investment of billions into organizations like Judicial Watch, the Heritage Foundation, Breitbart, FOX, etc; has paid big dividends, and now they are laughing all the way to the bank.

But I digress. Presidential exit polls have been much friendlier to the DEMs in the last 40-50 years, which is what I meant when I said, "The Republicans are having trouble controlling the Big Office" - Nixon, GW Bush, and next --- drum roll - Trump - followed by big THUD.

 

Yes, quite the flip flopper politically. I forgot to mention no political experience and nepotism among characteristics which you'd think would sink his ship specifically with those who support him the strongest. Bizarre!

 

Actually, I initially had a problem with the retweet of that gif. On the face of it, he was trying to get some important legislation passed. Kate's law which mandates a 5 year prison sentence for illegals who return to the country, and the associated bill to defund sanctuary cities. I thought that it took the public's attention away from those two laws. The NYT only has one front page, so what's going to be on that page has changed.

The problem with Trump is that he thinks differently than me. He does things to achieve a certain reaction. Maybe he knows that the NYT only has one front page, and that taking the public's attention away from that would allow it to pass that much easier. No crazy lefties going nuts about defunding sanctuary cities and imprisoning their beloved illegals. That's the best way to get legislation passed.

Get them going nuts about a stupid video, and we not only get those two bills passed without a whole lot of stupid drama, but also to poke the MSM monkey again.

Look at the reaction and tell me that he didn't poke CNN right in the plums. What an astounding chain of events over the last few days. I could have never planned all of that, and maybe he didn't either, but I do know the results, and am certainly not unhappy.

Meanwhile, you're worried about respect from foreign countries, and how this might seem a tad unpresidential.

Again, look at the reaction. Do you think Merkel is going to be cornering him and asking how many of her economic migrant muslims we're going to be taking in? He might tweet a stupid video of her face photoshopped onto that tubgirl video.

He can, however, take some time to talk with Xi, Moon, and Abe about how to deal with NK. That's much more important than the EU.

 

It makes no sense. Why would he want to distract those in own base from any issue that would make him look "good" to them as opposed to looking "a tad un-presidential" (understatement to say the least)?

If you look at his twitter, that wrestling vid got nearly 600,000 likes....far and away more than any of his other more "normal" tweets. That tells me that people who support him show up when he goes off the rails.

I just find it all very strange.

 

I think 2016 showed that "political experience" was a liability on a candidate's resume.

 

I think Belch is onto something. I'm one of those who doesn't like the tweeting and think it's a distraction but.... I can't deny the massive success that CNN gif has been for Trump. He may not have known the type of reaction it would draw from the media and just got lucky in the stupidity of his enemies, again. Or this really is five dimensional chess and he knew exactly how they would react. In any case, there was so much they could have criticized Trump on last weekend's Sunday shows, such as the collapse of the Senate health bill. Instead, they went full bore on a tweet that by elevating it from it's actual news value (zero) to a multi-day crisis, and going after some unknown redditor, they made themselves look dangerously stupid.

 

You find it strange because you're only focusing on the finger, when you should be concentrating on all the heavenly glory above. Look at the results. Instead of lefties going nuts about kate's law and defunding sanctuary cities, they were complaining about a retweet of an old video.

His own base loves the video and kates law and defunding sanctuary cities. There's absolutely nothing not to like from my perspective.

As for the left, well, they can be counted on to complain about anything and everything. It's what they do. Getting them to complain about some trivial video instead of real issues is perfect!

 

I get it. That law hasn't past yet.

The idea that this is some strategy to "distract the lefties" even though at the same time risk continuing to cement the notion that he is "a tad un-presidential" with the rest of the world, too, including the conservative Republican right?

Sorry just don't buy it.

And as far as complaining about things that "don't matter", the idea that the right doesn't do this sort of thing is pretty darn ridiculous. Like I said before, I think if Trump were a "Democratic President".....everything thing you claim as trivial and meaningless, from his flip flopping to silver spoon billionaire lifestyle, his zero experience, his TV persona game show host gigs, his foreign model young 3rd wife, his inane antics, rude comments, insults, and anything else that could possibly be brought to light to ruin him....everything about him would be ripped to shreds by the right. Ripped to shreds. They'd think he was a new all time low. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

Trump somehow put his finger on the bizarro world of the right, and it miraculously worked against all reason and odds. When you look at who he is as a person overall, that he and his strange brand took over the conservative Republican right...??

Maybe it will continue to work for him. Or maybe it won't.

Nevertheless, I continue to find it as strange (and hilarious) as I did when all this started.

 

That's the thing. I'm just along for the ride it seems because there have been many facepalm moments for me as a Trump supporter. Yet, when looking back at how things played out, he seems to usually come out ahead.

And really, why shouldn't he be a master at manipulating the media? He's been dealing with them since before most of the current crop were in diapers. The guy was in the ring with Mike Tyson at Trump plaza back when I was struggling with high school algebra. And I'm an old man now!!!!

 

As a lefty, of course you find it strange. If you could understand the right wing, you wouldn't. We don't like government. We hate the federal government and think it's gotten far too big for it's britches. We don't like being told what to do by politicians, we don't like lots of things that the government does.

So now we have a President that you seem to feel is doing things that might underrmine certain aspects of the federal government and just don't get it.

hint: I'm sure you found it crazy when he announced that he was going to run for the GOP nomination. You probably found it crazy that he kept winning, even though he was doing so many things that you found completely incomprehensible. You were probably dumbfounded that he won...

Yet, here we are...

something to consider.

 

Why do you talk about no political experience as a bad thing? Everybody started out with no political experience. If someone looks promising, we should give him the opportunity to learn and grow and to get relevant political experience.

 

I get what you're talking about. I get all that.

You don't seem to get what I'm talking about. I'm not really talking about Trump's supposed "agenda" to give you what you want, give you all the things the right "believes" in...I get all that whether I agree with it all or not.

The part I find strange is that you and the rest of the right have supposedly found your "answer" in someone like Donald Trump. That's the weird part. He doesn't seem to fit the bill.

But if you all think he does, if you all are still behind him 100%, well that's all I'm asking about here, so question answered.

 

Start out as President?

Okay, yes, sure, obviously people on the right felt that the way to go.

 

This actually made me realize that Trump managed to become POTUS despite having zero political experience....it surely tells us how amazing he is.

 

Who would fit the bill so that you would understand?

He's not the greatest of everybody in the known universe, but he threw his hat into the ring, and compared to everybody else, he was the best.

He's not the answer to everything, but as a binary choice between him and Hillary, there was no choice to make.

 

I find it weird too, however he saw a large gap on the right of people and issues that were not being addressed by the 16 other Republican primary candidates; immigration and trade. I guess as a businessman he saw a market need and filled it.

 

Yes, that is a tough question! The lot of Republican candidates were pretty much as Trump described...a bunch of weak losers!

I think Kasich at least seemed knowledgeable, experienced, and had some self-respect.

As far as someone "outside the box", could be much worse than Trump (for the left) when you think about it.

 

I have had a complete change of heart. My initial support of the President would have been characterized as tepid at best. Now? I am firmly in the Trump camp. The BS being put out by those on the left, the quality of the members of the Trump administration, and the job now being done by the President (especially in the area of foreign policy, after the complete foreign policy disaster maintained by the Obama administration) all serve to place me squarely in the column of strong supporter of President Trump.