Trump threatens shooting of Central American migrants who throw stones

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    Thats a good point

    The reasons are many starting with the fact thst not having a wall means that many illegals have been deported multiple times but they keep returning
     
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    You’re under the Trumpian illusion that ladders and boats and shovels don’t exist.
    The gop is presently groping with, “ what can we make cheaply that will fool republicans into think its a real wall.” before 2020. So far, it’s disolved into a fence that Mexico isn’t paying for.

    Wall proponents do no logistics research on their own....they just listen to Faux.
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-09...ico-here-are-five-images-show-how-complicated
     
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    No we're not. (Better?)
     
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    I will agree with what? That he's a narcissist? That's a word in search of a meaning, because everyone is motivated by self interest, some more than others. At what point does one fall into the unforgivable "narcissist" zone from the "nobody's perfect" zone and into the Gandhi/Jesus zone? And I dont even know that narcissism is a character flaw. It may be organic, and it may be the result of environment.

    I did not vote for Donald Trump for two reasons: inexperience in governance and, more seriously, his role in the birther controversy. So I voted for Johnson (Clinton was worse than Trump).

    But liberals/progressives/Leftist had better hope Comey comes up with actionable collusion or obstruction by Trump personally, not his campaign aids, or you will be seen as hysterical haters and he'll be reelected. Check the unemployment numbers lately?
     
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    When trying to defend the indefensible, you have to make stuff up.
    If you can’t recignize narcissism, maybe you need a retake in psychology.
    Abhorrent behaviors arecall excessive behaviors to what is Normal. It’s normal to be angry occasionally, it’s not normal to be angy all of the time. It’s normal to think of your own well being in making some decisions, it’s not normal to do it all of the time at the total exclusion of everyone else.
     
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    That is hyperbolic ("angry ALL the time") and ("at the TOTAL exclusion) of (EVERYTHING else) and personally insulting ("you have to make stuff up") ("you need a retake in psychology").

    I have honestly tried to have a reasonable exchange of views with you. It does not appear possible.
     
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    Guess you didn’t notice. Trump is a narcissist . He thinks of himself all if the time. The result, a plethora of lies. He’ll say anything, anytime to make himsef look good at the total exclusion of the truth. . You don’t even notice. You think it’s normal behavior. .

    How can I have an honest exchange when you don’t even know the real definition of words....like narcissism .
    Do you really think narcissism isn’t defined the way I said it was ? Get a dictionary. Why just quote me out of context with these isolated little phrases. That’s not right,
     
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    Try this.
    https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/articles/narcissist-behaviours.htm
     
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    It’s impossible to have an honest discussion with anyone if you can’t agree on facts.
     
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    If thats your attitude why station US customs and immigration agents at sea ports and international airports?

    Just let everyone come and go as they please because liberals do not have enough will or imagination to stop them
     
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    No, my retort is always the same. Trust the experts you hire and the institutions that support them and work towards towards comprehensive immigration reform. It's not rocket science .
     
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    Comprehensive reform means a stick and a carrot

    We have to seal the border and deport up to 75% of the illegal aliens who are already here
     
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    They are not here to serve the public, they are here to protect the republic. The constitution is NOT a living document that can be changed with the times EXCEPT by amendment. We are armed by the constitution to protect us from a corrupt government, and nowadays, that may be what they have to do if it continues with a government that serves itself and not the people.
    There is nothing about training in the constitution. People like you want to make shitt up, instead of reading what is there. Although much of the militia is untrained, it would be people like me, ex-combat experienced soldiers who would be capable of training them. Afghanistan is one country nobody controls because of their "untrained" militia. Take a look at the Scotts against England, the barbarians, the French revolution, the sacking of Rome, Viet Nam. All "untrained" militia defeating well trained soldiers. Why do you think the government has violated the constitution and limited arms individuals can have? To protect itself. Do you know what a "history" book is? Read the "shot heard round the world". An unorganized militia defeating the british when they came to get the colonist's guns. Good Read.
    The government can control the cities, but cannot control the countryside against determined resistance.
     
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    Your argument is full of "what ifs", and your lack of military tactics is totally lacking. Educate yourself on a book written 3000 years ago, a mainstay of almost every military training world wide. Sun Tzu's "ART OF WAR". At least educate yourself to the minimum standards. The book is still available, 3000 years later at your local Barns and Noble "on line". You live in the dream world of every government that has been overthrown. IT CAN"T HAPPEN HERE, and then does happen there.
     
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    The problem is, too much of this liberal "feminazi" has left more than half the kids today without a natural father in the home, the mother is working and nobody is taking care of the kids. Kids where both parents are working two jobs, not to mention the drug trade, is destroying our youth. I do agree with your "move" opinion, Do not depend on government for anything anymore, they cannot even defend our borders from invasion, let alone take care of the populace that pays the government's bills.
     
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    You are correct. But I have watched and paid attention as the nuclear family has exploded. A single mother does not have time to raise children effectively and earn a living. this started to have an effect in the 1980s. And the hippies, they went on to become much of the administrations of the schools, never learned what real life was about.
     
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    You have this faith that government solves problems. It does not. Government CREATES problems in most cases. I have worked with ( and a couple times for) government. It is corrupt and incompetent. Your experts are NOT experts. Government is full of people who cannot make it in the commerce of a dog eat dog world. Most would fail in private enterprise because the do not have the skills or abilities to make it in private practice.
     
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    A good education is simple. You need the ability to take care of yourself personally in all areas, and be an EFFECTIVE citizen. You should not rely on government for anything but infrastructure and basic education. The rest is up to you. Independent people make a strong country, people that dependent on government for basics of life (food, clothing, child care, divorce control etc., I guess make good slaves. I guess a billion Chinese cannot be wrong!?!?!

    I guess that is why the average Chinese citizen cannot own a gun, and the Average American can own a gun. Guns are power. And to quote Chairman Mao, "ALL political power comes out of the barrel of a gun", and he killed 40 million Chinese peasants and proved it. Our founders knew that also, thus the second amendment.
     
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    OH and here are some actual Quotes on the second amendment from our founders. These are real "you can read the originals" in the national achieves of the USA"

    The Militia - What “They” Said…

    • James Madison: “The ultimate authority … resides in the people alone. … The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation … forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition.” Federalist 46
    • James Madison: “A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” 1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789
    • Rep. Tenche Coxe of Pennsylvania: “The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
    • Patrick Henry: “Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” 3 Elliot Debates 168-169.
    • Patrick Henry: “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.
    • Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: “Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789)
    • Thomas Jefferson: “And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms… The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”, letter to William S. Smith, 1787, in S. Padover (Ed.), Jefferson, On Democracy
     
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    He gets things done in the swamp we call Washington, where lying, stealing and fraud are the rules, not the exception. In Rome, you have to do what the romans do.
     
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    What is NORMAL. I am very narcissism driven. On the battlefield, I wanted to stay alive at the cost of the enemy soldiers verses their narcissism to also eliminate ME to stay alive.
     
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    I agree with you about the breakdown of the tradational family and the harm it does to children
     
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    Yes, when people make up facts like you do, it is hard to discuss because you lack any depth of knowledge of the subject, like guns and the militia.

    Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: “Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789). Here is an expert totally destroying your version of the second amendment and the militia, and who it is composed of.
     
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    Yes, and right now there is no going back. In a nutshell. The women through Narcissism, went to work, threw away the nuclear family (a proven system of producing a strong nation), and now want the government to be their mommy and daddy (or husband). This dependency on government is going voluntarily into slavery.
     
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    Most college professors.
     

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