Trump to Russia: 'Get ready' for US missile attack

... Or just plain old.

 

One other glaring bit of nonsense is the idea that we are striking Syria on the basis of some concern over human rights or the use of chemical weapons.

The rebels have used chemical weapons and we still support them. We used chemical weapons in Fallujah - a war crime. Of course "surprise surprise" the Pentagon lied about its use initially but then was caught in that lie and later admitted use.

https://www.democracynow.org/2005/11/17/pentagon_reverses_position_and_admits_u

The war hawks do not give a sht about the people of Syria .. If they did they would not have armed and supported Al Qaeda, ISIS and other groups of the same ilk - an act which is responsible for the worst humanitarian crisis so far this decade - 500,000 dead and counting - the refugee crisis and the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS.

 

This will lead to a significant drop in the government's rating. People in Russia are tired of humiliation and require a harsh response action, if this happens.

The problem is (and people do not understand this well) that Russia has very few forces in Syria right now. Russia has never counted on a violent conflict with the West, and therefore the group there is able to effectively confront only local Islamists. In the event of a direct military conflict with the United States, it is intended to destroy American aircraft carriers using nuclear weapons. But it is obvious that in this situation, it will be insanity. So it turns out that Russia has a gap in the level of a possible power response. We can respond either weakly and senselessly, or strongly and with the risk of a universal apocalypse.

An honest response would be power strikes against Ukrainian troops in the Donbass Anyway, Russia has long been accused of a military attack on Ukraine. So we do not lose anything. But the political confrontation between Russia and the West has not yet reached this point.

 

Well we should know the answer to both these questions soon. Given Trumps latest tweet "missiles are coming" I put the probability that it will happen as rather high. How Russia will respond is questionable but, given their rhetoric I think the odds are fairly high that they will.

 

I was thinking something similar as well - that the response will come but, it may be something outside of Syria. This would maintain "face" so to speak.

I also find it very implausible that Russia will do nothing.

 

Agreed. And we should not forget the half a mil people, kids, killed in iraq, which what's her name, the S of S under bush jr. agreed was acceptable for america. But not acceptable by some americans of course. Like me. So, this lie about us caring for innocents in the middle east, or anywhere for that matter is just more lies of rubbish and nonsense.

If we go full out or even half arse out, in syria, to take down assad, we will just add to those numbers that our gov't lies and says we care about. Fact is, and it is evidenced by our history in recent years, we really have no value for human life, unless we can lie about it in order to justify breaking international law once again.

If you want to know what an evil empire acts like, hell, just pay attention to our perpetual war for perpetual profits for our few. Yes, the shining light on the hill has no electricity, nor fossil fuel lanterns or candles for that matter. The example we are setting for the rest of the world we had best not want it to be emulated by another nation. For the world would erupt in wars from east to west, north to south.

The communist revolution died. And while that was a good fight to fight, for obvious reasons, the neocons in DC and among the voting public, are working very hard to equate russia today with the clear and present danger of the communist revolution. And given how conditioned americans have become, thanks to the death of journalism, and a free press refusing in speaking truth to power on our behalf and in our interests, lies are being used to manufacture consent for more war, and even putting at risk MAD. We even have nuts who believe we can take russia down, destroy her, without MAD happening. And even some people on this very forum believe that!

 

Doesn't Trump have anyone telling him he's being punked?

For crying out loud. Assad isn't going to bring hellfire down on himself exactly when he's on the verge of winning his war. Doesn't Trump have any rational advisors left?

 

Definitely not drunk, unless one can be drunk on stupidity.

 

I agree that it's unlikely that the U.S. and Russia will cross swords in Syria, but based on my observation of recent events and statements I'm inclined to disagree with your other points.

While it's possible that the U.S.'s allies may participate in a strike, I think it will come primarily from the U.S. and our Navy and I think it will be significant. The push for a stronger strike appears to be coming from the Pentagon, not the White House, so any delay is probably tactical - i.e., a lack of assets in the eastern Mediterranean. Right now, there is only one guided missile destroyer in the immediate area and another nearby. However, the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman just rotated out of Norfolk (Virginia) yesterday accompanied by 4 more guided missile destroyers and a guided missile cruiser, so they probably wouldn't arrive until late next week.

Here's a pro tip - if Trump wants to knock the living crap out of Assad's forces and bases you won't see a full scale strike until the Truman strike group arrives late next week. If he's going to conduct a limited strike, as you believe, it will come from the USS Donald Cook and Porter in the next couple of days. Of course, he could mount a limited strike and then clobber Assad after the Truman and its strike group arrives, but I think that's the least likely of the three scenarios.

 

I read on the news today that Russian rouble and government bond markets are collapsing. Stock markets and getting hit too.
I guess smart people with money aren’t betting on Russia.

 

I think all the markets are a little shaken up by it. Oil prices are up and our markets are also down.

 

Hey look who's back on the forum

 

I hadn't left it. I said I wasn't going to bother with you and your silly ad hominem.

 

Thanks for returning. Speaking of Russia and US tension per the OP... how'd it get that way? Have a few simple questions and I appreciate your responses:

You forgot Operation Odyssey Dawn and the drone support used to kill the leader of a sovereign nation.

Also, WHY WERE WE THERE? How did murdering (or attempting) world leaders help the United States? Not only did we arm terrorists because of this, we caused Russia to arm the opposite side for geopolitics.

What part of Syria and Libya/US intervention was the right thing to do?

 

Anyway, I'm hearing interesting news in German media reporting on claims in Russian media. They say that Russia has our bases in Syria targeted with Kalibr missiles. Russian source: https://www.ok.ru/politepeople/topic/68496649778641

Россия нацелила "Калибры" на базы США в Сирии
Вооруженные силы РФ скрытно приведены в полную боеготовность

Russia has targeted "Kalibrs" at US bases in Syria
Russian Federation armed forces have quietly gone to full battle readiness

 

I'm not here to defend our intervention in Libya or Syria, actually. I'm not sure why you're so anxious to go into that.

 

Is there a reason in particular you flat out refuse to answer these simple questions that led to the tensions with Russia we now have? Are any of these questions confusing?

Don't bother responding if you don't have the guts to answer the questions again. Thanks for showing us your true colors.

 

And we are hearing May is so desperate to not be left out that she is going to join in without getting the approval of Parliament but
there is a belief that wiser heads are holding Trump down and we need to wait and see what if anything actually happens.

 

I'm sure you're right about Trump. It looks like Russia has guaranteed that any strike against Assad will entail an armed exchange with Russian forces, which would seem to place our two nations at war. I don't imagine that even Trump is prepared to take it that far, and I'm sure that's what the Russians are counting on.

Russia is putting a stop to our ability to send in the troops and strike a weaker nation at will, without a great investment into a serious conflict that could bring violence, death and destruction to our own soil...

 

LOL - So quiet it's splattered across Internet discussion boards around the world.

Indeed. I figure we have about a week and a half to two weeks, which is the time it takes 100,000 tons of diplomacy to sail from Naval Station Norfolk to the Mediterranean Sea.

It pulled out of the Chesapeake Bay yesterday...

 

Of course, this means that if Klump means business, he's going to have to target Russian forces in Syria as well and be prepared to strike them along with Assad's forces. Got to wonder whether the Russians would go through with it, knowing that.

 

as long it doesn't hit Russia target, i'm fine with it. last thing we need is prox war with Russia in middle east.

 

Or it could be just bluff. Russia threatened to shoot down tamahawks last time trump sent them and nothing happened. Russia threatened to shoot down Turkish planes if Russian planes are attacked and nothing happened.
We are in a nasty situation, though, when we must stand our ground for the whole principle of standing our ground.

 

In terms of rules of war, since Russia and the Russian military are in Syria with permission of the Syrian government, any missile fired by any USA ship, aircraft, submarine or base for which the missile may hit any Russians or Russian material makes the point of launch a legitimate target for Russia and, in fact, our doing so would be a direct act of war by the United States against Russia, no different than if Russia launched missiles are our bases in Iraq and Afghanistan or anywhere else.

It will be interesting to see how Putin plays poker. The proper response for him to make would if the USA hits any Russian personnel in Syria then Russia will launch missiles at USA bases in Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

The chemical attack was another false flag. Regardless, we need to completely get out of Syria both directly and indirectly. There is no national interests to the USA in Syria. None.

 

If it hits a Russian target in Syria, that is not a "proxy war" with Russia. It is direct war with Russia, no different that if Russia launched missiles at one of our bases in Germany.