Trump's Four Obstruction of Justice Crimes 100% proven in the Mueller Report

Great point. Obama built those cages.

 

This happens every single day to citizens of the US. Where are your crocodile tears for them? It's what happens when you break the law.

This is not happening.

OMG! WHY DON'T YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN FOR CRISTSAKES!!!!

You do know that Trump hasn't ordered those things right? The whole toothbrush thing was what lawyers said in a court. No one said its actually happening.

In any case, there is several reasons that there is considered a crisis at our southern border you know. 100,000 people are being detained each month. And that is a highly lowballed Minimum. Where exactly should these people be detained until they can be processed? Where are you going to get the money to buy all the stuff needed for them? Things don't just happen for free and it takes time to arrange for things. Democrats only JUST voted for a bill to give more funding for these things. Despite knowing that money was running out for several months now. And then you have idiots like the AOC who supports those idiot Wayfair protestors of a company who was selling beds to ICE for those children that you speak about. Imagine that. Think of the children? What a rubbish call when Democrats are not doing what needs to be done to secure our border so that we don't have to be putting these kids in tent cities.

Let me guess though...you support open borders? Do you support those chants that were yelled down in southern California about no wall, no borders, no USA?

 

No it doesn't! IT'S A CRIME.

Yes it is.

Bunk. BUNK! It's happening on trump's watch, so he is responsible to correct it and he hasn't. It's part of his "Zero Tolerance" policy to "encourage" such things from his hand-picked lawyers and border agents. Your excuses are pathetic.

No.

I don't know anything about them, so, no comment. But your characterization of them sounds nuts.

 

Zero tolerance policy is basically following the laws that even dem congress critters passed. For the left, following the law is not an option anymore.

 

Yes, actually it does. There are over 1 million people in our prison system. How many of those million people have families?

No its not.

So did you have this hissy fit when Obama was putting people in cages? You do know it originated under him right? In any case, as has been pointed out several times by your side...Trump is not all powerful. He is constrained by the laws in place and by the Constitution. And last I checked Congress holds the purse strings. Not Trump. Trump is supposed to execute the law. Not change it like Obama did with DACA. All Trump is doing is following the law. If you don't like the law then get it changed.

Then where do we house all those people apprehended at the border for crossing illegally until they are processed? How do we hold them? How do we take care of 100,000 new people every month minimum? How do we pay for them and all the services that they need? Where is that money going to come from? It is up to Congress to get that stuff into law and provide the money for it. Not Trumps. Trump is doing the best with what he has. He can't do any more until Congress provides him the resources to do more. And right now the only ones really blocking the funding for this stuff is Democrats. Democrats like AOC and Ilhan Omar. The logistics to handle 100,000 new people every month is staggering and Congress is sitting on its ass. They've known for months that there is a crisis at the southern border. And for months they denied it. Because of that the situation at the southern border is far worse than it would have been if they had stopped being partisan ******* Never Trumpers playing politics the entire time. And they're still doing it by spinning this into it being Trumps fault even though THEY are the ones that hold the purse strings to pay for everything that you mentioned plus.

That's because they are nuts. :shrug:

 

A fairly long piece, very informative.. investigating the investigators
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html Much of what the Investigation dare not investigate.

 

How does this mean that it would be sufficient to convict?

 

Spooky's post provides us with the quintessential element necessary to be a Trumper. You must be able to pick up the Mueller report, read page after page of detailed, footnoted, granular evidence of obstructive acts perpetrated for the singular purpose impeding Mueller's work..............and then by some magical, inexplicable process make your brain come to the conclusion all the facts and evidence you just read don't really exist.

 

Your question is specifically answered in the second paragraph quoted below. But I included the preceding paragraph in this section because that also clearly demonstrates (without needing to cut-paste entire pages of the report) that the only reason why Mueller didn't prosecute was the OLC directive..

Mueller (Page 9) :Here, we summarize the law interpreting the elements of potentially relevant obstruction statutes in an ordinary case. This discussion does not address the unique constitutional issues that arise in an inquiry into official acts by the President. Those issues are discussed in a later section of this report addressing constitutional defenses that the President 's counsel have raised. See Volume II, Section III.B, irifra.

Three basic elements are common to most of the relevant obstruction statutes: ( 1) an obstructive act; (2) a nexus between the obstructive act and an official proceeding; and (3) a corrupt intent. See, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)"​

 

No where in your copy and paste does it say "The only reason why Mueller didn't prosecute was the fact that Trump is the sitting President"

 

It is appalling to see Trumpers, over and over, dig in their heels in the face of irrefutable facts and claim 2+2=hamburgers.

 

What "facts?" You mean the fact that it is unclear whether or not he could be indicted if he wasn't President? I certainly agree that it is a real possibility that he would be indicted if he wasn't President.

 

Except the statute of limitations runs out after 5 years for many of Trump's crimes.
Trump's 2020 campaign is basically ''vote to keep me out of jail''.

 

Many Trumpers on the board deny that Mueller's report contains any evidence whatsoever of obstruction by Individual 1.

 

Mueller didn't have a report. Weissmann and the Clinton Campaign had a report. If Mueller had a report, according to the Constitution of my country, it wouldn't prove anything since prosecutors can only allege a crime was committed and who committed it. There was no allegation and no due process.

 

Right. You need it "literally"? Ain't gonna happen. Mueller meant his report to be read by intelligent people who can add 1+2. He assumes people in position to make decisions can do that.

 

That is only unclear to people who can't add 1+2.

Anybody who has read the report (especially Volume II) understands that it's very clear. Mueller repeats the same all over the Report, again and again. It's impossible to read the whole volume without ending up understanding this.

But, of course, nobody is going to take the time to cut and paste all the instances here for you here. You have to read it yourself.

 

That is an assumption, not supportable by your so called facts.

 

You can't even get your own argument straight.. How can there be "due process" if there is no allegation? Make up your mind.

 

That Mueller meant his report to be read by intelligent people is an "assumption"?

Ok....

 

That they will come to the same conclusions as you.

 

What "conclusions" might those be?

Why do I even have to ask?

 

Jail, fine, but not impeachment.

The House must be very cautious. All this could backfire on Democrats. I honestly am not the least bit concerned about the welfare of Democrats, but impeachment failure could easily result in a Trump victory in 2020. That I am concerned about.

The evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors must be substantial and bipartisan. We are not there yet, not even close.

The evidence must be substantial to bring Americans onboard. They are not onboard yet. A Washington Post-ABC News poll published this month found that 37 percent of adults supported beginning impeachment proceedings, while 59 percent opposed the move. Other recent polls show Mueller did not change that much. For impeachment to succeed and result in Trump's removal from office, Americans must support the move overwhelmingly. Congress works for us.

The evidence must be bipartisan or else it will fail in the Republican Senate trial where 67 Senators must approve of the Republican President's removal. As mentioned, impeachment failure in the Senate most likely will cause a Trump victory in 2020.

In fact, that is Trump's only chance.

If the evidence is not substantial and bipartisan, the solution is obvious if the intent is to remove Trump from office. Allow Trump to fall on his own petard. He is doing a masterful job of doing just that every time he opens his mouth. If one's political opponent is self-destructing, don't interfere. Wait for the Presidential election.

 

Trump wants to be impeached. That is why he has been acting like a complete fool. If one is a Democrat, it is not wise to do exactly what one's political foe wants you to do.

More and more Democrats are beginning to realize that.

A recent The Hill and HarrisX polling showed that 67 percent of Democratic voters support impeachment, which is four points less than the percent that supported impeachment in May. Four points lower after the Mueller hearing.

Here is what is interesting. Surprisingly, support for impeachment from Republican voters increased from 9 percent in May to 17 percent after the testimony, while Independent voters also increased in support for impeachment from 26 percent in May to 35 percent.

I am not the least bit surprised. Conservatives who support Trump aren't dumb. They know a failed impeachment attempt can only help Trump.

Why in the world would Democrats in the House want to impeach Trump as things stand now?

I dearly would love to ask that question of a congressmen who favors impeachment.

 

REPORTER: Mr. President, Robert Mueller said last week that Russia is interfering in the U.S. elections right now. Is that --

TRUMP: "Oh you don't really believe this. Do you believe this? Ok, fine. We didn't talk about it. I spoke with President Putin of Russia yesterday. They are having massive fires in their forest. I've never seen anything like it. I just offered our assistance because we are very good at putting out forest fires frankly. If they should need it, I offered our assistance. We had a good talk, a short talk but a good talk, and I think he appreciated it."