Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians during the election

Your statement "Those of us who voted for trump have "no" interest experiencing another eight years like the last eight"-----two things here--first is OBAMA in my opinion, in his eight years has done more to try to help the American people,help create jobs,stabalize the economy (which the GOP "had" brought us to our knees)& try to end a war that was ill conceived & based on a lie & put on the credit card by GW, So,I don't quite get that you are against helping the American people,but,so I would be happy to argue those points all day long on a OP you start, however,that being said, let's talk about this thread (which is trump & his staff & Russia---which brings me to #2,----Yes, We can all see that it "doesn't matter" to you how Russia has interfered with our election process as long as your guy got in---doesn't matter to you one bit that your guy ,lies,takes reports ( true or not) out of context & uses that then to try to use it to his advantage,flip-flops on his messages & acts like a 6 year old spoiled child when people don't hup- to his dictatorship mentality-or that he degrades everyone & points a finger because of course--"Nothing" could possibly be his fault----it is supposed to be" Government for the people by the people",right now it is Government for trump & his bottom line---you say leave him alone-OMG,no,trump has already moved the monkey exhibit into the White house ,if we leave him alone he will have the whole friggin three-ring circus there in a heart beat----
Well, it does matter to me, it does matter to the the majority of the American people,I don't believe & trust the vote tally of this 2016 election & if we don't find out what happened, none of us American people will "never" trust our election process again.No, I am not ashamed of demanding the truth,the sooner the better-----

 

I’m sorry to say this but that is a dumb statement.

Dylan Root or whatever his name is killed a bunch of black folks in a church in South Carolina as I recall.
That the head of the State Police or the local police chief didn’t stop him doesn’t exonerate Mr. Root/Roof from the crime.

 

“The reason they get immunity is because they did something wrong, if they didn’t do anything wrong, they don’t think in terms of immunity,” Trump said at a Wisconsin rally in September.

“When you are given immunity, that means you probably committed a crime,” Michael Flynn said on “Meet the Press,” again in September.

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who spoke by phone with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about President Barack Obama's sanctions prior to assuming his NSA role, told the Congressional Intelligence Committees on Thursday he was willing to be interviewed about the Trump campaign's possible ties to Russia in return for a no-prosecution guarantee.

The Senate Intelligence Committee turned him down.

The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, said, in so many words, not so fast, and hinted that the FBI would like to discuss the matter with Flynn first.

It was pointed out on Fox News that, when it comes to investigating a possible crime within Trump's campaign staff, there weren't too many people above Flynn. In addition to being the NSA for a short period, Flynn was a key member of Trump's campaign staff for several months. While in that role, Flynn also worked for a foreign government. It doesn't take a genius to figure out this doesn't look good for Flynn.

And Trump.

 

Russia is desperate to get the sanctions against them lifted and saw Trump as their best bet. Didn’t Trump promise to do just that? Put the two together and the smell gets overpowering.

I don’t know which of the two are the biggest fools, Putin for trusting Trump to deliver or Trump for believing he could keep his negotiations under wraps.

Then nothing about this shambles surprises me any more.

 

Let's look at some facts in a different way. Obama is the President of the United States. It is September and there is a barrage of leaks released by Wikileaks that are being reported every day. It is readily apparent that the leaks are designed to influence the American Presidential election. Although it was disclosed by our 17 intelligence agencies on October 7 that Russia is behind the leaks, Obama is rather certain that is true in September.

Worse, he is receiving information that a Presidential election team may be coordinating the activity with the Russians. It is the Trump election team.

Isn't it logical to assume that Obama would initiate proceedings to determine if Trump's team is working with the Russians? Isn't it logical, in retrospect of a threat to our national security -- and interference in our elections is exactly that -- that he would have the Trump staff surveilled, and that would lead to a criminal investigation by the FBI, which just so happens to be true today.

If this were all true, then Obama would be faced with a dilemma. Should he, in September, tell the American people that Russia is interfering in our elections?

It is painfully obvious to the Democratic President that the leaks are designed to seriously damage the Democratic candidate. It would look like Executive interference in our Presidential election of the very worst kind. In addition, in September and throughout October, notwithstanding the polls in the last week before the election, Clinton appeared to be an obvious winner, and the Russian interference was deemed futile. Obama decided to address the issue after the election.

Which just so happens to be true today.

 

Putin got the man he wanted in the White House. That is obvious from the Russian interference. The rest of your post is pure nonsense.

 

At this point in the discussion you are asking those questions? Where have you been?

 

Well, I've never heard of Ukrainian leaks during the campaign, but I sure heard of the Wikileaks disclosures of which Russia was responsible. Where in the hell did you dig that up?

 

Wikileaks is just a news organization. If you have a problem with what they publish, then... that's you, and you are free to dismiss it as fake news.

 

I've been reading all this stuff and it seems much ado about nothing.

 

Criminal activity? Such as?

Then you have not been paying attention to Roger Stone who admitted 1)Contact with Guccifer and 2) knowing that the hacking of Mr. Podesta was coming.

Factually incorrect. Hacking someone else’s computer is a crime. Getting the questions to a debate the is run by the party you’re a member of, a party that can make it’s own rules, and a Party that has had such things as part of it’s deal in the past is shady, I’ll give you that. However, hacking is illegal by statute. A democrat getting the questions to a debate from democratic operatives is merely distasteful.

Personally, I am an independent who leans left. I want to see corruption taken out of politics wherever it is found to exist.

And I’m sorry, hacking computers hasn’t been going on for a very long time. Only with the advent of Trump has it happened and, shockingly, “law and order” republicans seem just fine with it.

That you think a billionaire is the “enemy of the elite” is, well, odd to put it mildly.

 

Oh, come on. This all has been discussed to death and you know what I am referring to. You just condone it is all, despite your noble claim to be against corruption.

I have been paying attention, which is why I don't conflate the two events.

Neither Assange nor any Trump staffer hacked any computers. So I guess they have committed no crimes.

It exposed the truth about Clinton and the Democrats. Sure I'm fine with it. Democrats are fine with it when it serves their interests. Maybe you are indeed a Saint among us Sinners, but I wouldn't bet on it.

It happens. Consider Engles, Marx's pal.

Given that both the establishments of the Democrats and Republicans bitterly opposed Trump before his election, I feel safe to say he is the enemy of the elites. The really odd thing is that you considered Clinton to be the "champion of everyday Americans." Or perhaps you didn't.

Did you?

 

You will not get an answer from anyone on the left... crickets.
Because they aren't genuinely Russia haters, they are Trump haters.

 

all you need now is proof of your ridiculous accusations....

 

In case you haven't read it, here is a link to the ENTIRE Steele dossier:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

 

Nearly all readers have entirely missed the premise of the above post.

Here is my point, but, first, some facts. Many, including President Trump, accuse the Obama administration of surveilling Trump's staff before and after the election. Many here support Trump and his allegation of Obama-caused surveillance.

We know Russia interfered in our election. We know Trump encouraged that interference during the election campaign. We know as early as July that Obama was relatively certain Russia was behind the interference.

"American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have 'high confidence' that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence." — New York Times, July 26, 2016

Put all those facts together and one can conclude the Obama administration was concerned about the national security risk of the Russian interference, and, based on the Trump's own words, concerned that the Republican candidate's staff were working with the Russians.

So, Obama ordered the surveillance of Trump's staff in the opinion of many.

That is the point of my article. I would hope that our discussion would relate to that premise and not go off on a tangent.

Ancillary to that premise is that Obama, believing that Clinton would win irrespective of the Russian interference, decided to delay until after the election making public the interference for fear he was using executive privilege to sway voters.

 

Thank you, but I am not interested in the Steele dossier. Many question its veracity, and so do I. I have plenty of evidence without it.

 

I noticed you didn't use any of the many posts that contain that proof. Simply dismissing the proof as "ridiculous accusations" is meaningless.

Actually, it is more than meaningless. It is a definite sign of weakness that you couldn't challenge the facts leading up to the allegations. You don't even tell us which allegations you are talking about. There are several, some involving Trump, others involving the White House, and still others involving Nunes.

 

Wikileaks is just a news organization?!?! You are hysterical. I'm still laughing. Wikileaks is either working with the Russians or they are a part of the Russian propaganda network.

I don't dismiss their disclosures as fake news. Much of what they report is fact. When they disclose secrets from our intelligence agencies, those disclosures are, for the most part, true.

Trump fans dismiss reality as fake news as they wish to bury their heads in the sand. I'm a realist.

 

We still have no idea what is in those documents. I am beginning to think we will never know. Nunes's antics last week and the White House reaction to those antics were a transparent, ludicrous dog and pony show, including Nunes' disingenuous "concern" he expressed to reporters and a national television audience on Wednesday. We can look back on it now and know it was all a very bad joke, and the Trump White House was at the center of it.

While we still don't know what is in the documents, we do know something now about the documents. Ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, visited the White House on Friday and became the first committee member besides Nunes to see the documents. He had this to say, “It was represented to me that these are precisely the same materials that were provided to the Chairman over a week ago. Nothing I could see today warranted a departure from the normal review procedures, and these materials should now be provided to the full membership of both committees.”

He continued, “The White House has yet to explain why senior White House staff apparently shared these materials with but one member of either committee, only for their contents to be briefed back to the White House."

The White House is still looking foolish with the documents. On Thursday, the White House invited the chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees to come view the documents. The Senate Intelligence panel is asking the White House to send the documents instead to a secure facility at the Capitol.

Trump needs to learn a valuable lesson. Don't mess with Senators. Senators Mark Warner and Richard Burr, leaders of the committee investigating the President, most likely will not play Trump's game, and it is very unwise for Trump to anger them.

 

If it was up to those on the right, the matter of Russian election interference and the Trump campaign involvement would be dropped, as if they fear the outcome of the investigation. . . . Many of these same posters want to resume investigations into accusations against Obama and Hillary INDEFINITELY, UNTIL SUCH EVIDENCE COULD BE FOUND OR FABRICATED THAT WOULD MERIT PROSECUTION.

. . . . This is regressive evolution of American politics. . . . Maybe we should give ourselves back to Great Britain.

 

Keep it up. There will be an investigation - probably several parallel investigations that will be all over the Clintons and the Obama Administration as well as Trump. The facts are already there for O and Hill. Not so much for Trump.

 

You guys accused her of being a murderer.
You guys accused her and her husband of running a child trafficking ring.
You guys accused her of murdering Vince Foster
You guys accused her of having 10,000+ ballots filled out in an Ohio warehouse

Really…what criminal activity are you talking about? Please be specific.

Really? Why? If Stone says that Podesta is about to have “his turn in the barrel” after talking to the hacker… what do you think he was talking about.

Hitler probably never turned a gas valve either.

Crimes that expose embarrassing behavior are okay now?

It’s a mischaracterization on a massive scale—what you’re doing.

Resistance to Trump wasn’t because he was going to put a bunch of politicians out of work. Its because he’s a pervert whose never done anything for anyone other than himself and has policies that either are nuttier than a fruit cake or no policy at all. If you have proof that he volunteers in his community, that he gives average amounts to charities, sponsors scholarships, etc… please provide it. Instead, he has started a university that had his student sue him. He makes fun of the physically handicapped. I’ll let his statements about women speak for themselves. Gave out the phone numbers of his political opponents. Had zero plans for healthcare. A tax policy that isn’t going to work. Wants to build a wall that won’t stop immigration. etc…

I could probably name more US Senators and Congressmen than most. And even with that, I could probably name fewer than 100 elected officials. I’m not bragging. I am simply stating that there is absolutely zero sympathy for most elected officials he vows to “drain the swamp” and get rid of (whatever that means). If he wants to tax billionaires into the stone age…great. I’ll believe it when I see it. Here’s a spoiler alert—we’re not going to see it.

 

. . . . A great backup for your assertion that hate is exclusively directed against conservatives.

I still stand by my January prediction of Pence's Presidential Inauguration by the end of the year.

 

How about we get back on topic. This is about Trump's staff coordinating with the Russians to defeat Clinton. I have noticed that no Trump fan dared to engage this post. In fact, Trump fans rarely engage any of my posts that contain evidence of Trump's collusion. For your convenience I will repeat the post.

“The reason they get immunity is because they did something wrong, if they didn’t do anything wrong, they don’t think in terms of immunity,” Trump said at a Wisconsin rally in September.

“When you are given immunity, that means you probably committed a crime,” Michael Flynn said on “Meet the Press,” again in September.

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who spoke by phone with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about President Barack Obama's sanctions prior to assuming his NSA role, told the Congressional Intelligence Committees on Thursday he was willing to be interviewed about the Trump campaign's possible ties to Russia in return for a no-prosecution guarantee.

The Senate Intelligence Committee turned him down.

The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, said, in so many words, not so fast, and hinted that the FBI would like to discuss the matter with Flynn first.

It was pointed out on Fox News that, when it comes to investigating a possible crime within Trump's campaign staff, there weren't too many people above Flynn. In addition to being the NSA for a short period, Flynn was a key member of Trump's campaign staff for several months. While in that role, Flynn also worked for a foreign government. It doesn't take a genius to figure out this doesn't look good for Flynn.

And Trump.