Two dead, up to 20 injured in West Texas shooting; 1 suspect in custody

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Surely he was on his way to commit the shooting before the police stopped him. I find it hard to believe that the police stop triggered his actions. Do we know why the police stopped him?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    So what is different about this shooting to the El Paso shooting or the Dayton shooting?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yes much the same way that a doctors prescription being required to obtain Oxycodone from a licensed pharmacist prevents people without a doctors prescription from getting Oxycodone.

    Never in the history of humanity has a drug dealer stopped and asked to see his junkie customers' doctors prescription before agreeing to sell them something.

    But if only we had a law that stated only licensed pharmacists are allowed to distribute narcotics and prohibited private sale that would stop people who aren't supposed to have narcotics from getting them.
     
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    What evidence do you have that he would have tried to get a gun from an illegal seller? Do you think that everyone knows the back street illegal gun seller in the area? Nothing in his history points to him being involved with that sort of "gangster" life
     
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    The right believe that everyone has access to contact illegal gun sellers in every city.
     
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    Failure to signal. Since the thread was posted we've learned that he'd been fired from his job earlier that day and had left rambling messages with the FBI tip line. So... he was probably on his way to his target, whatever it was.
     
  8. Pollycy

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    The Odessa rampage, as horrible as it was, boiled-down to being about some trashed-out guy getting fired from his truck driver job and then "going postal" when he got stopped by the cops for a traffic violation. There wasn't anything that the lib media typically feasts on -- like wearing a MAGA hat, or any connection to "White Supremacy", etc., etc. So, very quickly, it was time to move on....

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    Instead of making the narrative about white supremacy and Trump, the media could've made it purely about gun control, but of course they didn't, because it's clear that there were police failures, not to mention the fact that the shooter failed a background check! This makes sense, as the media would surely struggle to advocate for more regulations when existing ones did NOTHING to stop this attack! UTTERLY LAUGHABLE AND PATHETIC MEDIA! :roflol:
     
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    The statement was made that a mandatory background check would have prevented him from getting the gun. There is zero way to prove that seeing how laws like that in regards to other things do not work the same way. Evidence shows the contrary. If I make a statement saying "If the private sale of narcotics was illegal that would have prevented the guy down the street from obtaining narcotics", would that be correct? The answer is no because a whole lot of people around here have narcotics who aren't supposed to have them. That statement was made as an absolute, it is factually incorrect to state such a thing in the absolute form.

    Somebody with a criminal history like that and the ill mindset to kill people the way he did would likely be able to find a gun if they want one. Laws against the private sale of narcotics are not working, why would it be any different with firearms? Would it slow down the access of firearms for those who aren't legally allowed to own them? Maybe, maybe not.

    According to the DoJ 43% of criminals get their guns from the black market as it is, 6% steal them, 26% get them from family or friends, 10% got them from the store (which means they passed a background check), and 0.8% got them from gun shows.

    So according to the data by the DoJ, a total of 85% of criminals got their guns from sources to where eliminating private sale would have no effect on their ability to obtain them, and 0.8% got them from the "private sale without a mandatory background check" avenue. 12% is unknown.

    So, given the data published by the DoJ, how exactly would "Mandatory background checks for private sale" have prevented this guy from getting his gun?
     
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    Dems Propose First Gun Grab Since Lexington And Concord.

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    What Democrats propose can be more accurately described as “the first American gun confiscation effort since Lexington and Concord,” or some variation on that theme. Although tax dollars will be meted out in an effort to incentivize volunteers, the policy is to confiscate AR-15s, the vast majority of which have been legally purchased by Americans who have undergone background checks and never used a gun for a criminal purpose.

    The “mandatory gun buyback” exemplifies the impracticality and absurdity of do-somethingism (although Biden’s proposal to ban “magazines that hold bullets”—so most guns—is also a contender!). Democrats are ready to instantaneously turn millions of otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight for refusing to adhere to a law that retroactively transformed the exercise of a constitutional right into criminality.

    And they do it without any evidence that it would curtail rare mass shootings or save lives.
     
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    Some legislation to keep stupid trusting parents from allowing their kids to get ahold of their guns is needed. Case and point the Sandy Hook shooter's mother knew Adam Lanza was autistic and had issues. ALL the signs were clearly there. She was an educated professional and should have known better. She not only gave him access to all her guns but took him to shooting ranges and taught him how to shoot them as well.

    After he killed all those kids, the only comfort given was knowing at least he took her out as well.
     
  13. Dispondent

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    This is about rights and what they represent. If you folks stopped your whining and read a little history, perhaps you'd notice that freedom comes at a cost. Throwing away freedom because you gun grabbers are emotional wrecks is never the answer...
     
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    So in your opinion trying to stop the killings of women and children makes one an emotional wreck.

    But somehow I don’t share you opinion that such is the cost of freedom.
     
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    Stealing private property isn't going to stop anything, its the weak willed emotional response of socialists and communists, not a rational decision to actually address the problem. So yeah, you folks should stop being emotional wrecks...
     
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    Who said anything about stealing private property. Nice straw man
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm talking Beta's plan to confiscate guns, or any of the other plans that directly or eventually will end in the confiscation of private property to alleviate petty liberal fears...
     
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    Somehow dismissing mass shootings as petty liberal fears seems too stupid even for a Conservative.
     
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    Why not hand grenades?

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