Two doctors say that vaccinated people can make unvaccinated people sick

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I see people not using the scientific method and and point it out to them and you call that "blather". Very impressive.
     
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    Firstly YOUR observations on the matter are steeped in profound ignorance. You never use anything approaching any scientific method yourself, none of your sources use it and when asked a dozen times to show it you routinely ignore such requests! You are the equivalent of suggesting somebody honks a little whilst you immerse yourself in manure.
     
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    You speak of others "science"......I'll give you some math.....you have NINE post on this page alone....no science in sight, but you seem angry and just mediocre at insults.

    *edit...TEN post now...
     
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    Lack of.

    So let me understand this. You think counting to ten is math?

    An ad hominem post - are you a Trump supporter, vaccine dodging republican by any chance? I don't need to provide any science, it is already there. The disinfo trolls are the ones who need to provide it, as they are the ones making ridiculous claims!
     
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    Dude, you mangled the quote function and your post is straight projection and a lazy cop out.
     
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    Such informed rebuttal. Identify where the projection is. Identify what you would expect in response to your ad hominem that isn't a "lazy cop out".
     
  7. Scott

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    "Vaccine-dodging" needs a hyphen.

    You could have said "Trump-supporting" too.
     
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    You need to get out more, seek out some people and learn things. Go out and get educated on things you spam about. Learn the basic art of researching properly and stop pestering people with your pathetic and puerile horseshit,

    Get a life.

    Anti-Vax Facebook Users Beg For Prayers After Catching COVID (dailydot.com)
     
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  9. Scott

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    Did you know there are hundreds, if not thousands of free classes online. You can learn about all kinds of interesting subjects.

    https://www.coursera.org/
    https://www.edx.org/
    https://online-learning.harvard.edu/catalog/free
    https://online.stanford.edu/free-courses

    Instead of relying on others to tell you what to think or do, it might be a good idea for you to learn all you can and make your own decisions.

    Outside North Korea, the internet is world wide. You will find sites that promote one side and others that promote the opposite and that's for any topic under the sun. An attractive website and big sounding words do NOT mean the information is authentic. An ugly site with 2-3 pages does not mean the information is false. You don't know unless you do your own research.

    Do you have a doctor that you trust? Your own doctor, someone who knows you, your body, your ailments is the best source of factual information as it pertains to you. If you don't see anybody regularly, look on the back of your insurance card and call the customer service number. Ask for a "patient advocate" (sometimes they are called "member care specialist" or "nurse line" or other similar types of titles). Tell the person that you have concerns about the vaccines and have questions. I promise you they've heard it a million times already and if anyone is keeping up with the latest info from the CDC and the White House, it's your insurance company. Their ONLY job is keeping up to date and keeping their members well informed. They don't have vested interests in anything they are selling and they don't get commission so there is no risk of "conflict of interests".

    I apologize if this is too forward but I can sense your acute (and chronic) anxiety. You are overwhelming yourself by going to all these websites looking for the "guaranteed right answer". At this time, that does NOT exist. Medical care providers and scientists and specialists are working around the clock to get ahead of this pandemic and it's just too early for them to tell us anything with *absolute certainty*. I understand that's scary. I understand the stress but stress kills more people than any disease ever could.

    At the end of the day, YOU are responsible for YOU and you are the one that lives with the consequences of whatever choices (for whatever reasons) you make. Your #1 goal should be TAKING CARE OF YOU and that means learning all you can, talking to the right people about your concerns and making wise decisions. That's the best any of us can do.

    I wish you peace, Scott. Stay safe. Stay well.
     
  11. Scott

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    This doesn't reflect what I'm doing. I look at everything and see what makes the most sense and is consistent with what I see in life.

    I doubt it. Watch the first part of this video.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/icu-nurse-youre-being-lied-to-about-covid.591149/
     
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    What are you seeing in life that contradicts what is being reported? I haven't read all your posts but the ones I have read have never included any anecdotes. Despite what some people think on this forum, I believe personal experiences trump all statistics and "feel good" info.

    So tell me. What have you seen? You may pm me if that's more comfortable for you.

    This kind of thing is exactly why I reached out to you. Just because it's posted somewhere and somebody said something doesn't make it true. However, even if it IS true, you have to weigh that information against everything else. As an outside observer, it doesn't look like you're doing that. It looks more like "confirmation bias".
     
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    First of all, I have my own experience which I described here.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...the-pcr-test-is-a-vaccine-in-disguise.588971/

    I know of five cases of people who got very sick after having had the vaccine. I know of a case in which a person's foot got swollen after having gotten the vaccine. This is consistent with the theory that only about one percent of cases of vaccine injury get reported to VARS. If what I see is the norm, there are a lot more cases of bad reactions and injuries than we're being told.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ases-and-deaths.588101/page-4#post-1072863439
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ases-and-deaths.588101/page-4#post-1072856904


    (I said this)
    I've seen other doctors and scientists say the same things that she says about antibody-dependent enhancement, ibermectin, etc. It's just that she does a good job of explaining it and comes across as an intelligent person.


    The mainstream media have no credibility seeing that they've lied about so many things. Their lying about this fits the pattern.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798
     
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    Whatever makes you think your worse than layman opinion means something?

    Ditto. Circular logic of the most absurd kind.
     
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    And you are forgetting to offer anything other pathetic grammar police. Perhaps you are trying to goad me into calling you a suitably derogatory name. Get a life.
     
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    Vaccinated and unvaccinated people can catch the virus and infect others.

    https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1

    https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...n-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance

    P.S. I shared my thoughts with you in the other thread and you shot it down. I don't have further comment.
     
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    They're not talking about vaccinated people infecting others with the covid virus. They're saying that through "Antibody-Dependent Enhancement"* spike proteins form in the bodies of vaccinated people and that they can be spread. You didn't answer my question. You answered a different question.


    *
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=ADE&x=15&y=7
     
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    Can you explain why my opinion on this subject matters? I've already stated that I don't completely trust Fauci or the CDC. That doesn't mean there is some clandestine conspiracy happening. From over here, it looks like incompetence.

    What more is there to say on the subject?
     
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    Hmmmmm how do I point out that no post of yours so far has demonstrated the slightest indication that the “scientific method” was used.
     
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    You're posting on the this thread and that's the topic of this thread.

    These doctors are saying that vaccinated people may die within three years because of spike proteins and that they can transmit spike proteins to unvaccinated people who may in turn die within three years. If this turns out to be true, this is a serious issue. I haven't seen any reason to rule this out yet. Do you see any reason to rule it out?
     
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    Link to a specific example and explain it in detail.
     
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    Just because a website has “research” in the name of the link does NOT a repeat NOT a make it a valid site

    from WIKI for heavens sake!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Centre_for_Research_on_Globalization

    The scientific method means you check out the validity of sources
     
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