Tyre Nichols beating: Race Theory vs CRITICAL Race Theory

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  1. dairyair

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    Read the OP.
    You did respond to it. One would think you already read it.
     
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    No, give us a real world example of systemic racism.
     
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    The OP gave one.
     
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    You can't. Just as we all thought. The reason you can't, is because there's no such thing as "systemic racism". It's just another catch phrase the Left came up with to excuse black people breaking bad, because the Leftists don't believe blacks are genetically able to live by the same societal standards as whites.
     
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    The fact you speak about humans in different race structures is a main part of CRT.
    Instead of thinking what is actual, there's only 1 race, the human race, with many different ethnics and cultures, you thing races are divided by skin colors.

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    The social construction of race and the normality of racism
    First, race is socially constructed, not biologically natural. The biogenetic notion of race—the idea that the human species is divided into distinct groups on the basis of inherited physical and behavioral differences—was finally refuted by genetic studies in the late 20th century. Social scientists, historians, and other scholars now agree that the notion of race is a social construction (though there is no consensus regarding what exactly a social construction is or what the process of social construction consists of). Some CRT theorists hold that race is an artificial association or correlation between a set of physical characteristics—including skin colour, certain facial features, and hair texture—and an imagined set of psychological and behavioral tendencies, conceived as either positive or negative, good or bad.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory/Basic-tenets-of-critical-race-theory
     
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    I think you have touched on something that has validity with the idea that "the blacker the skin",,,, I've heard all my life that Blacks themselves discriminate against other Blacks who are darker-skinned than themselves, and/or have more pronounced 'negroid' features, such as a flatter nose featuring larger nostrils, etc. It is a phenomenon called "colorism".

    Links:
    https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-colorism-5077380
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...why-black-people-discriminate-among-ourselves

    Now, given that all five of the police officers who are being charged with Tyre Nichols' appear to be quite "Black" in appearance, should we still think in terms of any of this tragedy being due to "the blacker the skin"...?

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    Ok, now, show us a real world example of systemic racism.
     
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    Your belief in man made construct of race and the OP.
     
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    The SATs. They discriminate against blacks and are part of a system: Voila! Systemic Racism.
     
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    Maybe BY course title but the principles are incorporated in elementary and high schools. Schools have been very careful NOT to mention CRT by name so that the Dembots can say "Nuh-Uh" as you have.
    Not even close. Again, you're just mouthing the standard mantras your controllers have programed you to repeat.
     
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    Heck. Violent black men beating up a black man. Happens everyday in the hood. It ain't systemic racism. It's just what blacks do.
     
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    Maybe you have some real life examples? From credible sources?
    Like a syllabus or school board teaching plans?

    Let's see, put your claims to real life examples. Instead of the silly ad hom nonsense that makes up the majority.
     
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    This is a red herring. Everyone on this forum knows that there is only 1 human race. But speaking about "race" in the form of skin color is how humans naturally are. Humans have a deep seated instinct to identify things. To name things. To differentiate things. Part of the reason that we do this is in order to communicate with each other. In this thread no one is using peoples skin colors in order to be racist or connote that a black person is somehow different from a white person. People are using peoples skin color as a reference point. To be clear in their communication. To differentiate between one group of people, with another in order to make a particular point. Even your vaunted CRT does this. It differentiates between white, black, and every other skin color "race" out there. Why? In order to make points. CRT examines how laws where made. How it affected different "races". What race made those laws.

    How many posts have you made that does the same thing? Identifies people by skin color. Why do you do it? Because you're racist? Of course not. You do it to communicate. To differentiate the differences in society of one group vs another group.

    If you truly want to get rid of the "idea" of separate "races" and have a society that does not differentiate between one skin color or another, then you're going to have to...wait for it...Stop differentiating between skin color. Stop pointing out differences between one group of human beings vs another. Never again say "white" or "black" when referencing groups of people. IE: A color blind society. No more "White Power". No more "Black Lives Matter". Can you do that? So long as you keep trying to point out how one skin colored group treats another skin colored group differently, the answer is "no, you can't". Because you will need to differentiate to make your points.
     
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    Its already been determined that there is no source that would be "credible" enough for you, because you won't even support an investigation into it to GET a "credible" source. You will dismiss examples as "anecdotal", no matter how many examples are given, and there can never be enough examples to get you to support an investigation because all examples are anecdotal. A circular justification as to why you will always dismiss any claims of CRT being used in classrooms by activists (refer to post# 45).
     
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    Sure there's plenty that would be credible.
    Can you show a syllabus or school curriculum with CRT as part of the teaching in primary schools?
    That would be credible.
    But not some, to use your words, leftist teacher, going against school policy.
     
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    It's not natural. It was man made. And it's been around for a while and it morphed over the centuries.

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    The history of the idea of race
    Race as a categorizing term referring to human beings was first used in the English language in the late 16th century. Until the 18th century it had a generalized meaning similar to other classifying terms such as type, sort, or kind. Occasional literature of Shakespeare’s time referred to a “race of saints” or “a race of bishops.” By the 18th century, race was widely used for sorting and ranking the peoples in the English colonies—Europeans who saw themselves as free people, Amerindians who had been conquered, and Africans who were being brought in as slave labour—and this usage continues today.
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    The enslavement and racialization of Africans
    Between 1660 and 1690, leaders of the Virginia colony began to pass laws and establish practices that provided or sanctioned differential treatment for freed servants whose origins were in Europe. They conscripted poor whites, with whom they had never had interests in common, into the category of free men and made land, tools, animals, and other resources available to them. African Americans and Africans, mulattoes, and American Indians, regardless of their cultural similarities or differences, were forced into categories separate from whites.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/race-human/The-history-of-the-idea-of-race
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    I would like nothing more to not speak of people by white or black.
    A better determinant for why there are cultural difference are education, jobs, and wealth.
    I've pointed that out many times.
    I even showed you what redlining in our country did to impoverish a certain group of people. You basically ignored it.

    But what is called racism today was certainly ingrained into American laws and psyche.
    I've even pointed that out.
    I also pointed it out, something so deeply ingrained doesn't end when laws are changed. For people, because it's all they've known for most of their lives, don't change mindsets easily.
    It takes generations to rid something deeply embedded into society and systems.
     
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    There is a rule book on how to handle protestors and it starts with one sentence

    SHOW THEM YOU ARE LISTENING!

    That was where the Trump administration failed with the George Floyd protests. And before someone tells me that is what should have happened Jan 6 I will take the time to remind them who was ultimately in charge that day
     
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    I would love someone to point out racial differences that are measurable I mean, apart from the obvious skin pigmentation

    Yes African people have fewer Neanderthal genes, which apart from being more hairy does not seem to have left a genetic legacy for the descendants of either the Neanderthals or the Denisovans
     
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    How many “black” superheroes were depicted in cartoons?
     
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    Yes, it is natural for humans. And I told you why. When something starts to happen does not negate anything that I said.

    And its not as ingrained as you think. The only time I even think about race is when I'm talking politics on this forum or stupid **** is thrown into my face by activists in and out of media. In my life outside of this forum and those activists/media instances I never once think about race. The only ones keeping it alive today, are those that keep bringing it up day in and day out. The ones that say "colorblindness" is racist. The activists. The ones that blame everything on everything but themselves. That's who keeps it alive. The majority of the populace doesn't care.
     
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    Its been shown. But you reject it because it doesn't straight out say "CRT" or "Critical Race Theory" in them.
     
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    That is because it isn’t there

    Look this should not even be a “thing” and this is being said by an Aussie who grew up in a school curriculum teaching “Terra Nullius”. Today we have actually started to incorporate our indigenous culture into Australian culture and we are stronger for it.

    We went from the “White Australia” Policy to multiculturalism within a generation and without this shitty angst. There is nothing wrong with saying “we got it wrong let’s do better”
     
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    What's that got to do with the legal system?
     
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    Still can't come up with anything. No surprise there.

    Why not just admit that there's no such thing as systemic racism?
     
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    You only believe that because you have never stumbled across a site like “Stormfront” eeewwwwww!
     

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