U.S. Education Rankings Are Falling Behind the Rest of the World

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  1. Moolk

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    Agreed actually. It’s our culture. One that was easily predicted to those paying attention
     
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    And good times they were, right? Makes you wonder how anyone can blame the state of test results on teachers.

    Yes, the students themselves are part of the problem. So many just don't care about an education. They see it as nonsense pushed on them by grown ups, and we all know grown ups just don't understand anything. Remember when young folks said not to trust anyone over 30? That's about when young adults became grown ups and make kids clean their rooms and go to school. :)

    There is so much more to it. We want to keep things simple and have something to blame our problems on like teachers, but it's the kids, it's their parents, it's the community, it's the system--it's all of that and more. Blame for everyone.

    Some parents are a model of how a good education can lead to a better life. They live in communities that only those high achievers can afford. They experience the very real results of getting educated.

    But some parents never saw much need for a lot of education. The communities they lived in were working class and all they needed to buy a fast car or big truck was a 'barely made it' high school diploma. They might see things differently now, but they still live in an environment where high school is sufficient. Just stick with the basics kind of thinking.

    And there are those who think of education as waste of time because no matter how hard they try, it will never be good enough. They live in communities that laugh at anyone who actually thinks education will change reality. They grow up thinking all you have to do is show up for the required number of days and you get a diploma. But all that's just a joke anyway. You make way more money doing illegal things, but that's the only real option they experience.

    Of course, politicians see it as an opportunity to get people focused on a problem and provide a target to blame it all on. They push simply ridiculous solutions that only make things worse. Media sees it as a way to generate site traffic. You're right that more than the past 30 years have been a disaster for Education. And we look back at our "solutions" and see failure.

    I would ask why we see this failure, but that leads to lots of echoes and repeating of pundit-speak, attacking imaginary foes. What good is a national one-size-fits-all model of learning outcomes? What do we learn with binge and purge style learning promoted by standardized testing? What do we lose when we don't allow higher level courses or courses of interest? What do we gain by insisting teachers all teach the same content in the same way?

    We all seem to have some generalized notion of what students should be required to learn, but hardly any of us can spell it out in actual content standards. I really do wonder how much any of us would have to say about all this if there was no media to push issues like this on us.
     
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    teachers in private schools earn more because they are better.

    also much of public education is indoctrination, it would be better for them to be home schooled as a byproduct of covid.
     
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    No, kids with a score of 100 get the same diploma as a kid who gets 80. The kid who scores a 50 doesn't pass that class and no diploma for him unless he makes it up.
     
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    I would also add that a person who can afford to send his kid to school isn't going to pay big bucks for that kid to learn about social issues to the point of nausea. Those parents want a return on their investment, not an indoctrinated kid.
     
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    This.

    Number 1 difference between private and public schools.....parents. Parents expect their kids to actually be educated in things that will help them. They can handle the social issues themselves. Also, because the parents expect their kids to be educated, they will support teachers actually pushing the students and they themselves will push their kids. They will expect their kids to do well and so they're fine with the teachers having standards.
     
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    And he’s making up his basic math class while someone else is making up trig
     
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    No rich libs? Lol ok
     
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    It is easy to see the education system is failing. Just look at the low info voters.
     
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    'Woke' educators are determined to hole the high achievers back., though. It is intolerable that Whites and Asians do better than Blacks and Hispanic. It is easier to dump down White kids than educate Blacks.
     
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    Public Schools simply need to get back to the basics. Math, English, and Science. We've traveled too far out into the weeds. I also agree on the grading scale... it's just a game.
     
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    Kinda looks like income vs sat scores.
     
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    The particular problem is very much a Lefty problem.
     
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    Yes, yes, and no. It's ALL about attitude to education, and parental involvement.
     
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    Singapore? Taiwan? Go ahead. See how your diverse student cohort enjoys their methods.

    You understand that these are thoroughly merit-based systems, dontcha? No one gets a trophy for participation.
     
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    Well said!
     
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    Another great post!
     
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    Make 'poor parenting' not pay off. Make parents feel the pain of that choice, by relieving them of entitlement to any kind of assistance or benefit. Warn them ahead, so that no one can say they didn't know.
     
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    The same way other societies have always done it. Don't make irresponsibility pay.
     
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    You're missing the point, badly. The epithet 'pull yourselves up by the bootstraps' is directed at those who will become, or are, parents - for obvious reasons. It's for those who decide whether to give that support, or not.

    This habit of always addressing the symptoms (and the child without support is the symptom) instead of the disease itself, is a terrible cop out.
     
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    Ensure that future parents are on board.
     
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    That's exactly what it is.

    And it's only one trait, when you boil it all down: SELF DISCIPLINE.
     
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    This is an important thread and I would like to (if possible) see some comments from teachers or others with direct knowledge as to why our schools are falling behind. I suspect that one reason is the modern day teacher probably spends more time complying with requirements from administrators than teaching. In other words, my guess is schools have too many chiefs (all seeking to "add value") and not enough Indians (if that expression can still be used without being considered racist).
     
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    Who’s fault is that?
     
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    Yes, we have identified that all issues in the United States are “lefty” problems because Republican politicians are incompetent and never accomplish anything. I agree.
     

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