Ukraine enters uncharted waters after comedian wins presidency

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by Pollycy, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113


    Sorry to burst your bubble.....were not the same person, we just happen to agree on the same thing. Unlike some trolls here, who I would hazard a guess run multiple accounts.

    If a Russian was that "smart & tough"....the CCCP would've never folded. Some are smart....but they're their own worst enemy.
     
  2. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You got 1,400 posts in a 9 year time period with no recent activity whatsoever.
    I guess Boris keeps this account around as a cheerleader account to put likes and express support as a third person.
     
    zoom_copter66 likes this.
  3. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You are in dakotas, right?
    I’m a little closer to you today - Wisconsin Dells. Not exactly cubicle buddies, but whatever makes those trolls happy.
     
  4. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Have you ever been to Wisconsin Dells? What state do you live in?
     
  5. MrFirst

    MrFirst Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The newly organazied "church of Ukraine", "independent" from Moscow, has already broke down.
     
  6. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    23,023
    Likes Received:
    8,513
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Be careful, Candor, or else the 'dynamic-duo' (or whatever the hell he, she, them, or whatever this joined-at-the-hip construction actually is) will be accusing YOU of being on the Russian Government's payroll, too! :cynic: As for me? I'd like to figure out how you get the Russians to PAY you for simply making logical observations. They are not known especially as being a very 'generous' people. But, hey, that would be "a bird nest on the ground", as people say 'down-South'....

    I've already been accused, and found guilty of being a "Boris" by these morons (or is it really just one moron...?) But, as of yet, I don't have any of the supposed CASH! Damn! Seriously, I think I 'cracked this case' last week, because I pay attention to things, and how various posters express themselves.... :lol:

    Anyway, in a few years when the Russian flag is flying over the entire eastern half of what used to be Ukraine, it will be no surprise to me, and, it will be 'no skin off my ass', either.... 8)
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2019
    MrFirst and ArchStanton like this.
  7. ArchStanton

    ArchStanton Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    3,231
    Likes Received:
    4,047
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I certainly agree about the morons!

    As for Donetsk and Luhansk, I don't think you'll see the RF flag flying there in our lifetimes. They voted overwhelmingly in these districts for independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, like 80%. Now they want independence from Ukraine. And they've got it. They may wind up like Transnistria....unrecognized by the United Nations....of which Russia is a member. Nevertheless, I don't think those people in Transnistria give a ****, just like in South Ossetia and other post-soviet conflict zones. They've been that way for 29 years and counting!

    They've declared their independence and Kiev has pushed them farther away. If Russia wanted them, they could have moved right in. But Putin knows the political fallout isn't worth it and he won't make a move even if the people in those newly declared republics held a referendum and voted to join the RF. It's just not going to happen. Anything that can be remotely construed as 'putting the soviet union back together' is something Putin won't do.......even the Russians don't want the Soviet Union back. It reminds them of communism......and that's not how Putin keeps getting elected. If you want to lose an election in Russia....campaign on putting the USSR back together.
     
  8. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Great job for a russian paid troll to attempt to explain to westerners how things will go do.
    One question - what if in the process Pootin gets a minutemen up how butthole?
     
    zoom_copter66 likes this.
  9. ArchStanton

    ArchStanton Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    3,231
    Likes Received:
    4,047
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not a Russian troll and I don't try to explain things to idiots......like posters who claim everyone is a troll.
     
    Pollycy and MrFirst like this.
  10. MrFirst

    MrFirst Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Victory Day TV show broke records in Ukraine with more than 13 million people audience on TV and Internet.
    TV show glorified Red Army and all liberators of Ukraine, including special notice of General Vatutin - the commander of 1st Ukrainian Front which troops liberated Kiev. In February 1944 General Vatutin got in ambush of Ukrainian nationalists - Nazi collaborators - was wounded and died in hospital.
     
  11. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    23,023
    Likes Received:
    8,513
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'll be the first to admit that I have no in-depth knowledge about Ukraine. I never even heard the term, "Transnistria" until you mentioned it. But, I have been watching the behavor of countries in the former Soviet Union since the breakup, and the not-so-subtle efforts of Western banking cartels to "buy" their way into their governments -- specifically, the IMF-'projection' of central banks like the European Central Bank. The 'oligarchs' (Ukrainian, Russian, and otherwise) went from "rags to riches" after the Soviet Union imploded, and not a few of them enjoyed their rise to billionaire status by sucking-up to predators in "the West" all during the 1990's.

    Putin has established a status somewhat like a "Czar" in the middle of all those Russian oligarchs, and he's done a masterful job of it, while remaining very popular with the people. His approval rating is currently 66%, according to the Levada Center (highly respected internationally, and completely independent). Link: http://www.levada.ru/en/ . The irony? Putin's popularity is actually down from four years ago, when it was consistently north of 80%....

    Anyway, Putin has been extraordinarily successful in putting together business deals throughout Eurasia during the past four years, while working more and more closely with China, and now, India. He's created an entirely new military command, called the "Northern Fleet Joint Strategic Command", and he's reinforced Russia's military 'footprint' in the Middle East with bases in Syria and an odd "seduction" of NATO ally, Turkey (which is buying its first nuclear reactor from the Russian corporation, Roseatom). Oh, and Putin's been able to do this while maintaining a enviable ratio of GDP versus national debt, which stood at 11.8% at the end of 2018. Compare that to 108% here in the U. S. Perhaps this is related to the fact that Putin has a Ph.D in Economics, but, maybe it has more to do with the fact that so few in American government have any idea what a healthy economy consists of....

    What's all this got to do with Ukraine? Maybe nothing, except that everybody admires success and prosperity, and wants to avoid tyranny and oppression. Perhaps more people in Ukraine who loathed the Soviet Union find Putin's Russian Federation far preferable to the sinister, corrupt regime they live under in Kiev. NO country, including Russia, is perfect, but some are better than others, and getting even better with the passing of time....
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
    MrFirst and ArchStanton like this.
  12. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    23,023
    Likes Received:
    8,513
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I live in a "state" of amazement, Dimmy, that in this, the "Information Age", there can still be people with your 'mindset' in it....

    Still, I'm hopeful that ignorance can continue to be cured by knowledge, while being realistic enough to admit that brute stupidity cannot.... :lonely:
     
    Dutch and ArchStanton like this.
  13. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113


    LOL.....Russki liberation flag over East Ukraine?.....you have the numbers for this Vitaly? Most inhabitants in East Ukraine want nothing to do with Strelkov/Girkin Russki Mir, as I've tried to explain to you.

    You've never heard or been to Ukraine, before you say? No surprise, but you've got all the phucking answers it seems?

    @Thedimon is from there originally, and I have a close contact in the army in Kharkiv, whom I corroborate with , with whatever is mentioned here, and half of it is total BS here.

    I would guess half the posters here are trolls.... just in the last 6 mos or so, I've seen about a dozen or so rotate through the revolving door here. Drive by graffiti queens and propaganda artists....LOL.

    Where's those flags Sergei?
     
  14. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113

    "Morons".....namecalling, usually a sign that someone's losing an argument.

    As for the LDPR.....seems there's Lotsa RF Liberation Army flags flying around there.....even a few Confederate Flags in the early days(no imagination on the rebels part). The ruble is the currency in the DPR, and RF passports are being distributed. Seems like an illegal takeover to me. Maybe they'll even change the name to Stalino from Donetsk?

    Political fallout??? What fallout? Putinka could hardly care about "fallout"? Just like in Crimea.....where there was supposedly 110% voter turnout? I'd like to know what/who was that extra 10%?,,,LOL.
     
  15. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Yeah, lol...SD....well if my memory is OK, you're NW of Madison WI?? Or somewhere, there.My birthplace is Milwaukee, so I kinda know my way around the town.:)).
     
  16. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    23,023
    Likes Received:
    8,513
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I keep them folded neatly and stuffed up my butt in case some Kiev-loving troll needs to wipe the egg off his face....

    In any battle of minds between Ihor Kolomoyskyi and Vladimir Putin, you KNOW where I'm placing my bet, because even though I don't love either of them, I like being a winner! Give my best regards to your Siamese-twin....
     
    ArchStanton likes this.
  17. ArchStanton

    ArchStanton Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    3,231
    Likes Received:
    4,047
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If I referred to you as a moron you should take that as an upgrade.

    If there is any troll on this thread, it's you. Only a dumbass runs around constantly hollering 'troll'. I never do, but I know bullshit propaganda when I see it.

    Like you are fluent in Ukrainian or the 110% voter turnout.

    I could look it back up, but the turnout was high...like 80-90% and the turnout and the vote totals were almost identical in 2014 as they were in the 1991 referendum when the same voters declared independence and regained status as the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

    Who would have thunk it? Same people vote the same way TWICE! And both times, international observers and the media confirmed the elections were legit. Unbiased media, not like CNN or other garbage.

    Follow the logic now....a state with a wide majority of Russians wanted to leave Ukraine....a country with a piss poor economy who was trying to ethnically cleanse them by implementing new laws targeting just Russians, after an illegal coup of a President who was friendly to ethnic Russians.

    No....no....I'm sure that election was rigged by Putin personally.

    How dumb.

    And even though the people voted and Russia allowed them to be part of Russia AGAIN, which they are part of for hundreds of years, as noted above Putin took a hit in the polls because of it.
     
    Pollycy likes this.
  18. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Can’t even make up a location?
    Afraid of being caught on a lie, Boris?
    :nana:
     
    zoom_copter66 likes this.
  19. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Finally, a troll admits to having no clue!

    :applause::applause::applause:
     
  20. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    3,734
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    D6101F12-4EBC-4CC1-9B51-1E6515E3F293.jpeg
    That’s a rather strange place to store things.
    I didn’t know you are a sexual minority.

    By the way, here is a flag for you.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
    zoom_copter66 likes this.
  21. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113


    That was a good day in Feb44....when vatnik Vatutin got a capper that sent him to his maker.....:applause:
     
  22. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113


    Well...no, calling someone a moron indicates either desperation or an argument lost....true in your case.

    No....I'm not a troll, I don't sit in some cubicle and I don't get paid 10 cents/post.:)).

    You know BS propaganda when you see it? Sure....you do a good job providing it.

    I am quite fluent in Ukrainian.

    "Yah znaeyu rozmovlyateh/rozomeeyu Ukrainska movah".....You lose....I should have bet.....but not like you would phucking pay anyway.

    First time around in 91 was actually a "legit" vote.

    In 2014...it was a BS referendum with Greenies and AKs....2 weeks before the vote.

    International observers"....what intl observers? Post some credible videos of "intl observers" present at the 3/16/14 vote. Nothing from RT, Sputnik, Pravda, etc.

    Nahhh, Putinka porch monkey took a hit more for raising pensions to 65 yrs....gotta pay for the illegal annexation, wars in DPR, Syria, etc, somehow.

    Seems the Asiatic moskali are doing a good job of their own ethnic cleansing in Crimea, jailing Tatars, closing Ukrainian schools, intimidation, kidnaps, etc. Hypocrites these vatniks:))).
     
  23. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    1,923
    Trophy Points:
    113


    Do you keep it next to an issue of Mein Kampf? Volkischer Beobachter? Deutschland Uber Alles?

    You like being a "winner"?

    Yes true....Putinka wrestles tigers....and wins!
    Putinka scores 8 goals per hockey game...and wins!

    Maybe he has a career in the NHL, if ever he leaves office. My Blackhawks could use a prolific scorer as him....Wow!:rolleyes:

    BTW...how bout those Avs??? Pffft.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
  24. MrFirst

    MrFirst Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,990
    Likes Received:
    526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Important thing is that most of Ukrainians believe that the Red Army commander Vatutin was a hero and liberator, and UPA Bandera's collaborators were war criminals. 30 years of Bandera propaganda failed to change their minds.
     
  25. ArchStanton

    ArchStanton Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    3,231
    Likes Received:
    4,047
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You can't even speak English fluently.

    Why don't you try again in Cyrillic...
     
    Pollycy likes this.

Share This Page