Ukraine's 'irregulars' staging valiant fight vs. Putin's 'regulars'

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by XXJefferson#51, Mar 20, 2022.

  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,503
    Likes Received:
    49,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No I dont. Since I don't carry one you would probably need to go ask someone that does.

    By the way, your Dodge was so obvious it was lame
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2022
  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,503
    Likes Received:
    49,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do you live in a place where you're likely to get in a car accident all the time?

    That must be awful.

    Ever thought about moving to a place where people know how to drive and you don't need a seat belt to feel safe?
     
    Louisiana75 likes this.
  3. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    13,669
    Likes Received:
    17,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You would have a valid point if a fool could kill innocent people with a seat belt.

    Anything else?
     
  4. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    34,550
    Likes Received:
    13,094
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah no doubt Trump will don his cape and save the day.

    BTW, the Russian army is vulnerable to a counter attack.
     
  5. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's Ukraine's version of the Battle of Brittian, Battle of New Orleans, etc.
     
  6. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    13,406
    Likes Received:
    11,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A false and insulting left wing claim. People that value human life do not want government to have a monopoly on possessing firearms. History provides case studies such as the USSR, North Korea, etc. that demonstrate why.

    This was explained by Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn:

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?
     
  7. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    13,406
    Likes Received:
    11,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think most of the information we are getting is all part of an information operation and/or based on emotion. If my memory is correct, it took the US 3 weeks to take Baghdad when fighting Iraq and we could operate our main battle tanks with impunity which Russia cannot. Ukraine appears to be putting up a better resistance than expected. But at this point, it seem premature to claim or assume a total Russian failure. I believe it is likely that the end result from all of this will be a partitioned country. But who knows?

    If only our military could have had the support from during the Vietnam war from Western media that Ukraine is now getting. Part of the current media support and liberal support for Ukraine I believe is designed to deflect away from Biden giving Russia the go-ahead to attack.
     
  8. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    13,406
    Likes Received:
    11,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't as I live in a State that allows Constitutional carry. It is the lib run cites like Baltimore and NYC, where people are likely to be attacked.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2022
  9. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    34,707
    Likes Received:
    21,899
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I just want to share with everyone to not get caught up in what comes out of Ukraine and to trust it to easily. Obviously, the Russians are pushing major propaganda and lies, but the Ukrainians are no strangers to the same acts and trusting their claims could be embarrassing.
     
    JET3534 likes this.
  10. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,236
    Likes Received:
    13,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree that your comment is extremely simplistic . and poorly worded. Most everyone believes that "human life" is less important than Constitutional rights - including yourself .. which is kind of humorous ..
     
    JET3534 likes this.
  11. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,236
    Likes Received:
    13,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why would that be .. Have you not been to Canada ? - did you think they don't have Television up North ?
     
  12. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    34,550
    Likes Received:
    13,094
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FYI, the liberal media did not make nor break the Vietnam War. The main strategy was attrition, and a short time conscripted army, with overwhelming air support.
     
  13. Sage3030

    Sage3030 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2014
    Messages:
    5,544
    Likes Received:
    2,944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do you think watching TV shows gives you insight to true gun culture in America? Id say you would be misinformed if you listened to Hollywood.
     
  14. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,236
    Likes Received:
    13,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    TV shows like what - Happy Days ? Since when is "Hollywood the only Television" - did you think thats all they had in Canada. Haver you ever been there .. or talked to any Canadians.

    Where do you think average non gun toting Americans get "insight into true gun culture" if not News, Documentaries, and so on - and who is the misinformed one .. Thinking Television is only movies - that ave non gun toting Americans do not get what ever "Insight into True Gun Culture" they have from TV - Internet (and yes ... they have internet up in Canada as well).

    and speaking of "misinformed" -- don't think your undestanding of how Socialization works in US and Canada .. which is near exactly the same .. and normally includes most going to the US a whole lot .. doing business -- being largest trading partner and so on.

    You are also misinformed about "Canadians" in general.. did you happen watch any of the convoy protest coverage .. when not watching "Hollywood movies" ? Turns out there is quite a gun culture up there.

    And finally -- you are misinformed in relation the logical fallacy in question .. refer to post I was responding to ..

    and just anecdotally .. I have worked in Canada .. lived there for extended periods of time and regularly traveled there for both work and pleasure .. and can tell you .. not only was the poster engaging in nonsensical fallacy - has no clue about Canadian vs US culture .. and while generally the US population doesn't know squat about Canada .. or any other nations .. don't even know geography .. The same can not be said about your average Canadian .. who probably knows more about the US than you do .. in many respects.
     
  15. AARguy

    AARguy Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2021
    Messages:
    14,265
    Likes Received:
    6,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Giving a weapon to an untrained individual and expecting them to successfully engage and defeat a foreign invader is like giving a passing pedestrian a scalpel and expecting them to be able to perform an appendectomy.
     
    FatBack likes this.
  16. Sage3030

    Sage3030 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2014
    Messages:
    5,544
    Likes Received:
    2,944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Enjoy your knowledge of US gun culture from Canadian broadcasts.
     
    FatBack likes this.
  17. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,721
    Likes Received:
    6,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not really
     
  18. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,503
    Likes Received:
    49,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How so not?
    To expect one who has never fired a gun up until about 2 weeks ago to suddenly be a competent member of a militia repelling trained soldiers is ludicrous.
     
    JET3534 likes this.
  19. AARguy

    AARguy Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2021
    Messages:
    14,265
    Likes Received:
    6,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You obviously have limited military experience. We train our Soldiers and Marines thoroughly. It begins in Basic Training where they learn to shoot and maintain their weapons. Then they go to Advanced Training where they learn to operate within a Fire Team and Squad, working with others to attain objectives. (Sometimes these two phases are done together in a system called OSUT.) Phase three consists of learning how to interact with other Squads. This training is usually conducted within a unit, at home station. Next comes COMBINED ARMS TRAINING where a rifleman learns to work with other assets like Armor, Aviation, Air Defense and more. Finally, we are trained to work in a JOINT environment with other services like the Air Force, Navy, and Marines.

    The training effort takes some time and crosses the domains of Constructive (computer driven training), Virtual, and REAL (as in the Combat Training Centers) where Soldiers/Marines use high tech simulation systems to engage against a real OPFOR that maneuvers against and fires against you in a high fidelity replication of real combat.

    Today's military has come a long way from the masses of spear chuckers it once was. From high tech communications and weapons like JAVELIN, training a modern soldier is a lot more than grabbing the flintlock from over the fireplace and running off to war.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2022
    mdrobster, FatBack and JET3534 like this.
  20. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2018
    Messages:
    26,427
    Likes Received:
    14,404
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Sure, but they can be used to clear minefields. Just tell them which way to run.

    My point was that Ukrainians know what to do because they have had military training via conscription (12-24 months for ages 20-27).
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2022
  21. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,721
    Likes Received:
    6,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    1. Our ultra military has been held off by people basically given a gun for the last 50 years
    2. Becoming a doctor is much harder than becoming a soldier
     
  22. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    11,132
    Likes Received:
    6,818
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It takes a surgeon years to perform surgery. You can do basic firearm training pretty quickly.
     
  23. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,721
    Likes Received:
    6,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Countries in Africa, middle east, eastern europe, etc... do it all the time
     
  24. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    11,132
    Likes Received:
    6,818
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am not a military expert at all. But it seems a few embattled Ukrainians fired the shot heard round the world. I thought the Russians would get Kyiv in less than a week.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2022
  25. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,503
    Likes Received:
    49,795
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And I'm not a military expert either but I grew up in the country with guns and I can tell you from firsthand experiences someone who's never handled a gun is sucking hind tit if you expect them to pick one up and in 2 weeks time become a competent militia member
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2022

Share This Page