Ukraine's 'irregulars' staging valiant fight vs. Putin's 'regulars'

You mean other than Russia? They couldn't afford it wars. Yugoslavia had their war, but they were not part of USSR, even though they were hard line commies.

 

Keep in mind the soviet union didn't fall until late 91 and they fought Afghanistan. You also have conflicts/wars in Georgia, Crimea, and other nations.

 

Keep waving your white flag

 

There was no "they" ... it was just Russia who fought in Afghanistan... which isn't part of Eastern Europe. The Crimea wasn't a war as far as I know. While the Russian - Georgia war was the 1st war in Europe since WWII between 2 nations... and it only lasted 4 months in 2008.

How on earth is that some kind of lavish history in warfare of Eastern Europe... like the Middle East or the entire African continent?
The US is more involved in some kind violent warfare going on in any kind of decade. Cmon.

 

I don't care about the why.
The point was raised that there is plenty of experience in war in the Middle East, Africa as well as in Eastern Europe.
And it's incorrect. Eastern Europe doesn't have that lavish experience like the ME / Africa, or the US.

 

You realize much of Eastern Europe was in the Soviet Union? Also Crimea was a war along with in Georgia as well. Remember your statement, nothing happened after ww2.... which is just patently wrong. I've literally left off probably at least a dozen conflicts/wars including Civil and some that are still on going. Pick up a book man. In reality, it's obvious you will just continue to move the goalpost as your original statement was so incorrect you are only left two options: Admit you made a mistake (we know this wont happen) or just move the goalpost.

 

The point was raised that there is plenty of experience in war in the Middle East, Africa as well as in Eastern Europe.
And I disagree, since there wasn't any to hardly any wars in Eastern Europe.
To comment that much (if not all) of Eastern Europe was part of the Soviet Union doesn't change a thing to the point.

It wasn't. There were 3 soldiers killed in total. I'm not about to label that as a war. Get real.

I already acknowledged that and it was 4 months long. So what! How much does that add to the experience in warfare in Eastern Europe? Virtually nothing at all.

I'm sticking to your goalpost.
Your idea to call in one breath "Countries in Africa, middle east, eastern europe, etc... do it all the time".... is nonsense.
Afghanistan just kicked out the US after 20 years of war. And all the entire Eastern Europe got to show is 4 months of war.
You go and admit your mistake.

 

Bosnian War, Hungarian Revolution, Bogojno Conflict in Yugoslavia, Nagorno-Karabakh War, Armenian-Azerbaijani, Romanian Revolution, Lithuanian Border conflict with Russia, Log Revolution, Yougoslav wars (10 day war, Croatian war of independence), Albania Civil war. I can go on and on. Your ignorance to Eastern Europe History is not my problem. Now go along and move those goalpost (again).

 

it's basically 1 and the same Yugoslavian civil war.

those are not wars.

same thing


So you found 2 new ones. Whoop ti do.
Back to your goalpost. These 3 wars are FAR and FAR smaller combined to just the US-Afghan war in the Middle East.
The Middle East also got the US-Iraq war part 1 and part 2. The Iraq-Iran war. The Syrian civil war, USSR-Afghan war, Israel vs some others a couple of times. Yemen had at least 2 wars, Turkey vs the Kurds in Syria etc etc etc.

Your idea to call in one breath "Countries in Africa, middle east, eastern europe, etc... do it all the time".... is nonsense.

 

Gave you 10+ armed conflict examples since ww2 with multiple being defined as wars (which is a red-herring you added to the argument for some reason). Your response " Big whup te -do". Yeah, you are only interested in moving goalpost and can't admit when you are wrong. Meanwhile you haven't provided any counter examples to show why you think Africa is so much worse than Eastern Europe. As others in this thread have pointed out to you, you're just factually wrong. Run along now.

 

You must not wear your seat belt because the odds of getting in a car accident are below 1% so why bother living in fear every time you drive.

It's great that you don't want to have something for the small chance you would need it. But others like to be prepared, which it's odd you find the need to insult them. But I'm sure you are equally as insulting to those idiots who wear their seat belt everyday in fear of their life.

 

Your bar of what a war is, is ridiculously low. You consider it a war when 3 people in total got killed. The US would consider that a very very good day that almost nothing happened, since they got like 40 people being murdered a day on average. And so what you are considering a war is a joke. While most of your examples are just duplicates. And you're conceding to that, since you're not disputing it.

I gave examples of the ME, how it was so much worse vs Easter Europe.... and you're conceding to that since you're not disputing it.
And now it's what about Africa? Yeah... what about Africa? Can't you find out on your own they got far more armed conflicts?
Well here is a tip. Somalia got a whole bunch of them. Their last one started on in 2009, and they are still busy with it.
Sudan isn't shy of wars either. The UN even split the country into 2. Total novelty.
I recall that there was a genocide in Burundi where people got hacked to death by the 10,000's. How does that compare to the Crimea with 3 dead soldiers?

So you go tell me how those countries + the rest of the entire continent compares to Eastern Europe?
I'm saying your claim is a total joke.

 

Your white flag of surrender is noted.

 

Your white flag is noted.
I'm not seeing you even attempted to make any kind of justification how the experience in war fare in the ME / Africa is just like in Eastern Europe....
Your examples of the Crimea, were only 3 soldiers died, is actually proving the opposite vs known genocides that happened in Afrika.