Ukraine's 'irregulars' staging valiant fight vs. Putin's 'regulars'

They have about 650 000 trained men, and 7 million who can be trained, and Russia sent about 150 000 men. They figured they can overwhelm Ukrainians with airpower and other material mismatch, but it wasn't meant to be.

Not in 2, but boot camp (8-12 weeks) is enough. It was what the guys got before they sent them to Vietnam. 8 weeks is a longer time than it sounds when you are doing something at all waking hours.

 

They do what all the time? Pick up a gun for the first time in their life and fight a trained military?

Do you really expect me to believe this?

 

Plenty of countries in Africa and ME have a lot of experience with warfare.
Dunno what you mean with Easter Europe.

 

So the common armed Ukrainian civilian was sent to boot camp for 8 to 12 weeks before the invasion?

 

No, they have conscription, and serve 12-18 months when they turn 20.

Guys drafted for Vietnam went through 8 week boot camp.

 

Takes probably a magazine at best to figure out... its the brillance of guns.

 

Ukraine come on man lol. A few other former soviet nations as well.

 

I'm not going to get in some childish discussion about how "this career can beat up that career". I am only going to say that if you think the training required to produce an effective soldier is in any way trivial, non-tecbnical, or easy... then you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

 

There's a lot more to Soldiering than "basic firearm" training. That type of training prepares you to go to the range and have fun or possibly win a competition. No one shoots back at a range. No one tries to maneuver against you with armed friends at a range. You rarely have to call in air support or artillery at a range to defeat a clever target. You rarely have to plan to know how to use sophisticated weapons like Javelin at a rifle range. You rarely have to know how to provide emergency aid to the guy in the next firing point at the range because he has been shot or received shrapnel. I could go on.

 

8 weeks is Basic Training... all soldiers get that. After Basic comes AIT (Advanced Individual Training) of about the same duration. These two phases are often combined in what is called OSUT (One Station Unit Training).
And you aren't working "all waking hours" either. How do I know? I Commanded a Basic Training Company at Ft Leonard Wood in the late 1970's.

 

No I'm sorry I have to disagree with you here.

You don't just replace a lifetime of experience with guns with picking up one a week or two ago and shooting 30 rounds and now all of a sudden your combat ready.

 

I guess I was mistaken when I was under the impression that the average Ukrainian citizen was part of the militia not just males of military age

 

Again .. showing you complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.. said "Television" not "Canadian Broadcasts" - of 200 channels .. how many you think are "Canadian" ? Did you think they still live in Igloos .. that Fox CNN, MSNBC, Newsmax CBS .. ABC .. "The History Channel" - and so forth . do not exist in Canada.

but to the point .. more seminal .. do you understand what Ad Hom fallacy is

 

And that's just the "shooting" part. The "not getting shot" part is much more difficult.

 

And I get that myself.... I am pretty experienced with a gun and I've shot a lot of paper targets and beer cans.... But not one of them has ever shot back at me

 

Yes, 8 weeks is basic training, and after that US sent their draftees to fight in Vietnam. It is sufficient in time of war when you need infantry troops. Other troops require more training to perform complicated tasks. The schedule during basic training is pretty tight, which is what I meant by 'training all waking hours'.

 

It depends on what "military age" means. In places like Finland you serve young and remain in the reserves until you turn 50, but in US it generally means 17-35. Ukraine is a big country and can call in older people while 650 000 are in current reserves.

 

I point out Hollywood and you object because Canada. Enjoy yourself bud.

 

I think the wars in Vietnam & the middle east would prove otherwise

 

Sorry the only child here is you.

 

Ok, I am reading about the Vietnam era and it seems it was indeed 8 basic and then 8 more. So, the 1 year tour was really the training and transportation time + 1 year in country, - maybe about 1.5 yrs total. Maybe some the the Vietnam veterans have more info about it.

“Basic Training was eight weeks, in some cases nine. From there you went to Advanced Individual Training. AIT for an infantryman (11B) was eight weeks, though in my case, it was nine weeks. By two weeks into Basic you had not even gotten your hands on your rifle yet.

“From the day I enlisted (September 26, 1966) to the day I set foot in Vietnam (March 26, 1967), it was exactly six months. I’ve known a few guys who got there a few weeks short of six months, but not many. Anybody sent into combat with only two weeks of training would last about three minutes (if that) into his first fire fight. But far worse, he’d get half the guys around him killed.”

 

Your childish insults are noted. Your parents obviously let you down. How sad.

 

Your white flag of surrender is noted

 

Yo

Acknowledging that your immature insult of calling another chatter a child is hardly surrender kid. You have no desire to have an intelligent conversation or conduct yourself as a reasonable adult. You offer nothing of value here so I shall block you now. Come back when you grow up. Bye kid.

 

I don't recall any former soviet nation being at war since WWII, except Ukraine now.
That's rather unlike the US.