Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?

Proverbs 21:2
Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts.

 

The decisions that we make during this life have far greater implications than we tend to imagine!!!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research24.html

I actually read her NDE book back in the 1990's!!

 

One day, I was walking towards Wall St in lower Manhattan, and a woman came up to me and said, 'It's a beautiful day, would you mind if I gave you a hug?' I accepted the hug, but expected it would quickly be followed by "Do you have any spare change?"

When it was not, after she left and it was clear her intent was only to share a brief bit of intimacy with a complete stranger for no other purpose than the moment itself, I stood there dumbfounded.

And, the fact that I am telling this story now is evidence of the power that moment had. I have no idea who the woman was. Wouldn't recognize her if I saw her again, and as I've since moved away from NYC, the chances of that happening are virtually nil. But she impacted me in a positive way.

 

I agree and suspect strongly that the First Nations peoples of the earth are destined to play a central role in leading the rest of us out of the mess that we have made!!


Prophecy of the Rainbow Warriors by Eyes of Fire!
Wow, this sure sounds a lot like what is predicted in the Book of Revelation!

http://www.angelfire.com/ok/TheChero...rsrainbow.html

 

Exactly!!!!!

What a phenomenal example of how small acts can so impact our lives!

It seems like you met one of God's Angelos DentalFloss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7653651/

Has God called some of us to be poor, sick, no arms or legs and persecuted???

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Pastor Rick Joyner:

 

We obviously face all sorts of tests, though it's entirely up to us what we choose to even define as such. We think for & govern ourselves, even when some claim that their thoughts come from some spirit.

But paradise is archetypal thinking, an extension of our concept of perfection. It's a short-sighted vision, however, since it really just focuses on a vague set of feelings and conditions designed to please our senses. Paradise is an imagined perpetual perfect summer's day, perhaps - it is so often portrayed as such. It also tends to be linked with the basic feelings of satisfaction and contentment, as if these can be beamed into us from without. The source? Essentially the sun, though with a parental element of love and guidance mixed in with its warm, pleasant light.

It is all fantasy, of course. Why do people insist on believing such a thing can and should be real outside of our minds? I think only because they fear death and want to live beyond it, and this fear runs deep in us. We may or may not acknowledge it consciously and try to deal with it there. If not, we will likely seek a fantasy to cover it up instead.

A nagging thought I have about all of this is that a number of us may simply have a more or less dire need to do this. Not every mind is the same - our ways of thinking differ, at times fundamentally. Thus, while some of us can cope with mortality and the ugliness of death, others may be truly unable to do so. Of course, this could apply to other areas of life as well, such as suffering and the need for justice. We don't like to see the innocent suffer and don't like to think about a universe where this is permitted. If the innocent (a subjective and variable standard by itself) are going to suffer, they should, in our minds, find some comfort and happiness afterward, because to our thinking, they deserve that. At the same time, we probably want those who do bad or evil things (harming others, especially other humans, generally) to suffer in return. In either case, we are seeking universal justice. We want the universe itself to mete out judgments. Otherwise, life woud just be unfair.

Such thinking is childish, but it is also a core part of humanity and something we never fully escape. Well, we wouldn't really want to leave it all behind, either, since it's essential to our forming societies in which we are protected from abuses. Thus it has its benefits in the real world, the idea of justice. I for one certainly agree with it to this end. But this desire to extend it all to the entire universe and a false promise of eternal life complete with eternal bliss and suffering is just silly and wrong. Grow up and face reality, people.

 

Wow....way to go on this challenging question CupidDave!!!

And here I was going to go with the idea that Hitler did seem to like his dogs!!!!

http://www.near-death.com/animals.html

 

Excellent questions!!!!!!

 

Did you ever consider the possibility that she could have been a pick pocket or that she could have planted illegal drugs on you?

 

The ends always justify the means. That's because when it's over (which might be a very long time in coming) you are left with a desirable outcome for the actions that you took. Most people usually take just the minimum actions necessary to bring about a desirable and acceptable outcome. However, sometimes it becomes necessary to take extreme measures in order to achieve the desired outcome. Those extreme measures will seem to be outrageous under normal circumstances. Casual observers may condemn such actions as unethical or criminal even if they benefit from them.

Consider religions. Religions generally aim to give structure to people's lives and to help them cope with life's problems. They want to help people live better lives by reducing their "evil" behaviors. Religions worship unique deities. Can all of those assorted deities really exist? So how many religions are lying to people by claiming that their deity is the real one and all others are false? And if the others are false does the improvement in their followers' behavior justify their lies about having the only true deity? What's more important? That people live "good" lives or that they worship the correct deity? Is a lie that keeps people from killing each other willy-nilly ever justified? Of course it is.

 

Well, nothing was missing nor did I find any gifts, so no.

 

Most atheists would reject the chance to spend an eternity with God if they had it. They do not see him as an all-loving father, or a redeemer, but as an opponent to be bested.

So if your typical atheist was offered a chance to go to heaven, he would turn it down and prefer to go to hell instead and spend eternity with his fellow atheists.

But you're saying we don't have that choice. That all of us will be forced to love God, even if we don't want to.

I reject that notion.

 

Untrue

A stoned, cold LIE.

no is even trying to best a 'god'. People, the children, me myself, hate the sobs that claim that they are talking to 'god', that they represent 'god' and completely irresponsible to everyone because they false witness of 'god'.

I dont know people hating 'god'. People hate people like YOU, literally for what they do! (lying out the yahoo)

Im already in heaven. It must be hell, having to lie to yourself, that you are not.

nah .......... each will know truth while the morons are wiped off the map. ie.... nature is god, and the liars of false witness will be judged. No force there. The choice is life or death!

I do too.

Lies are a black root that dont make it.

 

Your attempt to explain or understand the minds of Atheists is akin to the non-religious pretending they understand the minds of the religious. The primary difference being that an Atheist tends to focus on the details of the religion based on the topic....and you seem to feel attacking all non believers en mass makes more sense. Basically, it would seem you not only have no idea what you are typing, but might have something of a complex.

 

Interesting take on the whole subject Blackrook!!!

I would like to point you to the NDE of Mellen Benedict where he visited the Christian heaven.....and found it kind of boring????!!!!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a09

For the record I am a Christian and I am still scratching my head over his NDE but for the moment I am suspecting that a high level of fear....a high level of worry about our own salvation.......a high level of doubt about hanging around with our "lost" friends and being negatively influenced by them...........tends to decrease the level of consciousness in the Christian heaven???????????!!!!

 

Christian near death experiencer Bob Jones reported that he was asked....."did you learn to love?" ... during his brush with death!

http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/BobJonesTestimonyAugust81975DeathExperience.htm

 

Wow!
Another resurrection!

 

Who says? I don't have proof of a Divine Force as a rational being that I was made as a human being to be using the scientific evidence provided. If I am shown wrong at that point awesome. Since there are many faiths, non-faith and such why would a just god being be offended if I decided to use science one of its creations as one path in life?

 

Then..... much like Richard Dawkins Ph. D.... in my opinion..........you lack a true understanding of The Anthropic Principle as explained by Stephen Hawking Ph. D...... you lack an understanding of the probable implications of String Theory and Grand Unified Theory.... in my opinion you lack a full understanding of what seems to be the implications of The Law of Complexity Consciousness................ you are in good company?????!!!!!! Generally speaking only people with an IQ over 200 would really grasp all of that with their understaniding????!!!!! That is about one person in several millions????!!!!

I am truly impressed though how Richard Dawkins Ph. D. refused to rule out the possibility of life evolving on anther planet.... this is a major step in the right direction..... Once he expands this theory to include life in higher dimensions of space time..... he basically........ has caught on to the great mystery of life??????!!!!!!!

 

I am of the opinion that The G-d of Abraham/ YHWh would resurrect you....... nearly an infinite number of times....in order to get YOU into one of the paradise/heaven realms??????????!!!!!!

Howard Storm was shocked...to find out that the Creative force..... loved him..... in spite of all his flaws and anger and skepticism and.......


http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

 

Sorry.
I was referring to the resurrection of a long dead thread.
It was a joke.

 

Can any of this be testing using the Scientific Method? No. Its pretty simple you have an scientific idea, this must be backed by observation of the evidence to back up the idea to verify it forming a theory. String Theory for one has been mathematically tested but that is about it its currently impossible to get to the point of seeing this phenomenon or working with it further.

But just because Species X we find might be more advanced than us doesn't equal they are divine, just more evolved. In fat in the Universe we see Intelligent Life is likely all over just the distances of space make interaction daunting even for an advanced race the Speed of Light still has issues the faster you go the more fuel (power) you need even at half the speed of light it would take a long time to go from Star A to Star B and take a lot of power. For comparison one natural phenomenon a Super Massive Black Hole rotates at that great speed just using its own momentum built up over many ages.

So my view if its not testable by science in a few ways, its not factual enough to use for evidence and the Divine Force is untestable so doesn't exist.

Can you demonstrate this Divine Force Theory at the level we have for Black Holes? A theory based on natural law Einstein's work led to Black Holes being expected. Then observations that is repeatable by others we can see the effects of Black Holes and these observation supported by many astronomers. So we are pretty damned sure Black Holes likely exist. Unless you can explain the evidence of a Super Massive Black Hole at the center of our own galaxy and a gravity force so powerful it cannot be anything else we know of.

Anyway like I said if I meet "god" why would he, she or it be offended if I as an intelligent creation decided using the evidence decided not to have blind faith but accept science as my path it would surely be expected.

 

Once energy levels some TRILLIONS times greater than what can be reached in particle accelerators are available.... then yes.... we would be able to test some aspects of String Theory??!!

For the moment.... perhaps the closes way to test some of this in the lab.... may be what volunteers are experiencing as they use jet fighter training devices????!!!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html

 

Good point...... the conversation that the being of light had with Mellen Benedict was at a much higher level.....in my opinion.....than the discussions that I have read about him getting into with the deeply religious!!!!??


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a09

Within a hundred years......... we will perhaps have to figure out ways to determine which supremely intelligent androids..... can be trusted with more power..... and which ones cannot?????!!!!!

Could it be that 7.4 billion or so of us are in the middle of some sort of Stanley Milgram experiment????!!!!

Could it be that we are being observed......... and if trustable...... we can go on to higher levels of responsibility????!!!!

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Ah yes........... humor...... " does not compute..... does not compute????!!!""

 

No, it's just you again misinterpreting what you read...what else is new...eh?...lol

Noah did help to repopulate the earth again, but not in the way you thought.

Didn't he build the ark to save his sons and their wives and 2 of every animal?...of course he did and so that's the way he helped and that is what my friend WR meant, but no because of your interpretation issues you took it to mean that WR was saying that Noah was having more children of his own.

The Bible does not say Noah had other children besides his 3 sons, don't you think WR already knew that?