VIDEO: New Tax Rate Proposed By Dem Ilhan Omar is Absolutely Obscene

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Budgets and fiscal policies are not defined solely by who happens to be President at the time.

    Your cite attributes the 2009 budget deficit to Bush.
    Still waiting for you to explain your assertion Bush43 could have and should have vetoed the Democrats FY2009 budget.
     
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    Huh? We have the historical record which shows republican kncrease the debt by orders of magnitude more than dems.
     
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    I’m sorry that the data refuted yiur ideological arguments at every encounter. I really am.
     
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    No we don’t. The record is clear Dem congresses raise spending.:.massively
     
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    Unless passed by a veto proof majority, yes they are.

    I’m sorry that the data always proves you wrong, I really am.
     
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    Which means they are proposed and passed by Congress.
     
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    Which gives the president the final say, unless passed with a veto proof majority. So, every budget going back 40 years, lies squarely on the presidents shoulders.
     
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    I think that progressive taxes on the rich should be used to help working citizens afford things like healthcare, retirement, and education. The wealthy have taken most of the economic growth and thanks to advances in computers and automation, this is going to get a lot worse. The top 1% has seen their incomes go up by 300% while only about 10% for everyone else. So I think the wealthy can afford higher taxes for great services that all citizens will benefit from.
     
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    Which means all budget and fiscal policies are created by Congress.
     
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    Civics isn’t your thing is it?
     
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    Irrelevant. The president has final say, unless a veto proof majority exists. All budgets going back 40 years are solely on the presidents shoulders.
     
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    Let me know when the President creates law, budgets, etc., then come and talk about your lack of education on civics.
     
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    You are ignoring reality. Presidents are bond by prior expensive and costly Dem legislation. The largest drivers of debt, Medicare and Medicaid need massive reform, the left ignores the problems
     
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    "VIDEO: New Tax Rate Proposed By Dem Ilhan Omar is Absolutely Obscene"

    the rate only applies to the money earned over 10 million a year, so if you earn 10,000,001.00, you pay that increased tax on 1 dollar

    i think these people will survive the tax and the tax was much much higher in the past for the rich then this proposal under Republican administrations
     
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    No not defined by a President even when there is no veto proof supermajority as I have shown over and over and again explain how Bush43 should have and could have vetoed the 2009 budget which your "data" attributes to him. When was that budget presented to him that he could have vetoed it?

    Can you REALLY not comprehend the difference between the data and you fallacious interpretation of it as has been shown over and over and totally refuted?
     
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    it was the republican tax cuts for the rich and the two republican 10+ year wars that have created our record debts

    dems spending has not changed sense Bush, Bush doubled the debt and it's been rising ever sense - in fact Trump is setting new record highs every month

    of course, the jobs moving overseas and the increased foreign imports plays a part too
     
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    Is she proposing a 90% flat tax on the "wealthy" or a 90% marginal rate on every dollar above a certain amount? I'm not saying the second option is a great alternative but there is a big difference between the two. For instance, AOC's proposed 70% tax was on every dollar earned in excess of $10 million. Obviously a controversial proposal but some were incorrectly characterizing it as a 70% flat tax on the wealthy.
     
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    Hey look he claims that when the Democrats took back the Congress in 2007 Pelosi and Reid just did Bush's bidding and that Bush could have a should have vetoed a budget that was passed AFTER he left office. Just amazing the fallacious nonsense.
     
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    The tax cuts increased revenue. What wars are you referring to?

    The largest drivers of debt without question are Medicare and Medicaid.
     
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    Is she proposing having a 90% marginal rate "like we had before" with all the deductions and credits "like we had before"?
     
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    We get it. Civics isn’t your thing. Maybe google bow a bill becomes a law. That’s a good place to start.
     
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    I’m educating you on basic civics.

    No they aren’t. They can either veto or sign a bill into law.

    Trouble have held congress and the presidency on more than one occasion in the past 30 years and you’ve done **** all about it.

    You guys add to the debt WAY more than dems.
     
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    Bush wanted the bank bailout, but Bush refused the stimulus for the people, that had to wait for Obama, so will give dems that stimulus costs as part of their debt, but it was caused by the republicans down economy passed on to Obama
     
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