Voter ID

Vote ID only prevents one insignificant type of "election" fraud (voter impersonation at the polls) where only 31 cases out of over one billion votes have been identified.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-billion-ballots-cast/?utm_term=.56f03e75048c

Remember one important thing. The proposal to furnish every voting age adult with a photo ID that can be used to vote has to be fully funded by the government because there can be no government fees, directly or indirectly, imposed upon a person to vote because it would violate the Twenty-Fourth Amendment - Abolition of the Poll Tax Qualification in Federal Elections.

So the government can furnish the ID for free to the voter but it's going to cost the government at least $10/card so that's probably a billion dollars easy and all it will do is prevent 31 cases of voter impersonation at the polls for every billion votes where voter impersonation at the polls has never been alleged to have changed the election outcome in any election in the United States in my lifetime (since 1949).

I just have to ask, Is it really worth it to waste a billion dollars and accomplish absolutely nothing?

 

In fact 'useless parents' are part of the equation. I think it was you who mentioned Asians, but it is not Asians who are committing violence on University campuses or demanding 'safe spaces'.

But you're right that the same thing is happening in other parts of the world. http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/52-italian-men-live-mothers-report-article-1.1519879 and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...nance-over-as-demographic-crunch-worsens.html

So this doesn't just go back to the 1970's. It goes back to an earlier comment regarding Ben Franklin and how the Republic can collapse if people rely on government more than themselves and avoid the responsibilities once associated with adulthood..

 

35 percent of males 18 to 34 live with mommy
29 percent of females 18 to 34 live with mommy

At any given moment more than TWO MILLION people in that age group will be jail or prison somewhere in America. And, once they get a record, they are out of the job market due to the very reasons some of us oppose National ID.

If the people in the U.S. were these hardcore go getters you insinuate, then they would not be looking to slit some third worlders throat to work a minimum wage job. Furthermore, if they had a brain and some intelligence they would NOT want the drudgery of a minimum wage job.

 

So these people not only can't drive, they don't have families or friends who can help them? If that's the case, how can they possibly find their way to the voting booth?

 

No, they don't require current government issued photo ID that's required to vote to obtain benefits. Even my bank doesn't require it to open a bank account because a utility bill with the person's name and address are enough for the bank to authenticate the person is who they claim to be.

Remember that the photo ID also has to be "free" because there can be no mandatory government fees associated with the Right to Vote because they would constitute a poll tax.

 

But the good news is that they can now smoke all the dope they want. The bad news is that drugs are not as cool as they believe them to be and its killing them. http://www.acsh.org/news/2017/01/05/heroin-overdose-deaths-quadruple-among-older-millennials-10690

 

What a crock. My son moved back home for two years while his business was getting off the ground. He took part time salary while working 80 hour weeks and travelling 100 miles daily. Many of his friends were doing similar things.

Are there deadbeats in the world? Sure and they cut across all age, ethnic, racial, and economic lines

 

They're not an identified problem but we do have ex-felons that haven't had their right to vote restored and they do sometimes register to vote and illegally vote in the elections. They do have photo ID and it doesn't prevent them from voting illegally. We also have others with photo ID that vote multiple times and the voter ID laws don't prevent that.

There are all kinds of voter registration and election fraud going on but the one that happens far less than any other kind (31 cases out of a billion votes) is voter impersonation at the polls and that's the only thing that the voter ID laws can possibly prevent.

 

No wonder so many people are entering illegally if all they need to obtain any government benefits is a utility bill. Age, income, or the condition of their health are not factors?

 

Kids SHOULD live with their parents until at least the end of college/study. It's the only way to create a solid foundation for the future. If said parents are useless, of course, this doesn't apply. I'm not talking about or to those kinds of people.

 

You do for Medicare at any provider other than an ER. Picking up your money from a social security office would require a photo ID but IIRC Social ecurity does not do that.

 

Exactly. If you've raised your kids right in the first place, no amount of living at home is going to stop them being driven to succeed. In fact it does the opposite, it helps them get there.

 

You don't have a case, son. You're whizzing in the wind and offer no solutions to take the millions of people that are not working off their butts and back to work.

 

Afraid it's not a crock. Between people locked out of the job market due to criminal records, those on "legal" psychotropic drugs, those on illegal drugs, and those who are on welfare we're talking multi millions.

 

And that's perfectly acceptable, but when it becomes a trend then it can be worrisome for the future of any country.

We understand why politicians like Bernie Sanders can promise 'equality', which appears to be a substitute for success. Or the screwball Nancy Pelosi promising that Obamacare facilitates the type of “liberation” that the “Founders had in mind” because it allows you to quit your job and become a “photographer,” a “writer,” a “musician”--or “whatever.”

And people still buy into this, demonstrating yet again that P.T.Barnum was an optimist.

 

I agree but I see the other side as well. Obamanomics exacerbated;this problem to compound matters. No matter what though, a useless degree in libatard arts is going to fetch it's value in spades. It is what it is.

 

First of all, I'm not anyone's 'son', and secondly, I have parented three children (after giving birth to all three, personally). I have no idea why you refer to deadbeats as though they're somehow in the picture. They're not.

This is about ordinary, responsible people, who respect their children enough to do the right thing by them. Forget the oddball misfits and deadbeats, they're not relevant to this discussion.

 

But it should be a trend. I think one of the worse things we can ever do to our kids is cast them out at 18. It's NEVER in the child's best interests, and always in our own. It's a repulsive self-delusion to imagine it's going to help them. A lie we tell ourselves to justify our disinclination to continue parenting.

I think the confusion here is that some of us are thinking about deadbeat basement dwellers, while myself (and Lesh, presumably) are talking about "Asian style" family life, where hard working and ambitious kids stay at home until they marry, or buy their first property/business. Two very different scenarios.

 

mmm. And that's why birds kick their butts out of the nest when they can barely fly. K. We could learn more from nature. Conversely, maybe this is why turkeys don't fly that well. Fly only to get into a tree to sleep, and run from everything else.

 

Birds kick their young out only when they can fly (and build their own nest, and raise their own young), and only because they breed every year. Why would you kick your young out before they can fly? And why are you still breeding when your older kids are 18+?

Have to say, the ignorance on this issue is surprising.

 

Eh? I don't have kids, I left when I was 17 1/2. I still breed, 100 billion sperm cells on the backs of and/or female facial canvases however. If you don't kick out your brood, they will likely never fly. It's not just a recent thing, try googling "Get A Life". It's entertaining. You might learn something in the process. For what's it worth, my youngest brother still lives at home. He's 50. Effing sad. SAD SAD SAD.

 

It's not a matter of 'casting them out at 18' which is not a claim anyone made. It's a matter of them wanting to leave because they've been raised as independent people who want to live a free and responsible life of their own. If they're getting an education which will do them well on graduation then good for the family. But that doesn't appear to be the trend and we seem to be raising a group of self absorbed sissies, even worse than the children of 'the greatest generation' were. The stats throughout the western democracies seem to support that view .

 

What about illegals? How are they going to vote??

 

lol.............. Touche!!

Anyone who votes needs an effin ID. I'm sick of the BS from the libatards whining it's discriminatory. You must present ID when receiving food stamps or welfare, so that's no GD excuse. Those people manage to scrape it up then. So what now libs? What's your GD excuse?

 

Because we don't want to. It's that simple.