Waffen SS Vets March Openly In Latvia

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    Waffen-SS formations were found guilty of war crimes, especially in the opening and closing phases of the war.[178] In addition to documented atrocities, Waffen-SS units assisted in rounding up Eastern European Jews for deportation and utilised scorched earth tactics during rear security operations. Some Waffen-SS personnel convalesced at concentration camps, from which they were drawn, by serving guard duties. Other members of the Waffen-SS were more directly involved in genocide.[179]

    The end of the war saw a number of war crime trials, including the Malmedy massacre trial. The counts of indictment related to the massacre of more than 300 American prisoners in the vicinity of Malmedy, between 16 December 1944 and 13 January 1945, and the massacre of 100 Belgian civilians mainly in the vicinity of Stavelot.[180]

    During the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was declared a criminal organisation,[178] except conscripts from 1943 onward, who were exempted from that judgement as they had been forced to join."
     
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    Your realize the American natives were not angels? Some tribes were friendly, and some were savages. I recall one poster saying that his father or grandfather was so sick of hearing the screams of someone being tortured every night, that he got together with some others and killed them all.
     
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    I read that the native American blood is not showing up on the DNA tests, why is that?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which means they preferred having it taken over by Nazi Germany. I guess it was more to their liking. Doesn't say much for Lithuania now does it? But then again if they preferred the Soviets it wouldn't say much either. Are 'supremacist' pagans worse than communist atheists? I think they're both evil.
     
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    @ Jeannette, let's have you read this again: "During the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was declared a criminal organisation,[178] except conscripts from 1943 onward, who were exempted from that judgement as they had been forced to join."

    What the US military units did to the indigenous peoples does not excuse the Waffen SS in the slightest.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They should recognize their mistake and repent, but they haven't. They make excuses as to why they did this and that, something which will not bode well for them in the end.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once in a while I go on to Israelinewslive to find out what's going on in the Middle East - even though I don't agree with everything Steven DeNoon says - especially about the Catholic Church, I have an immense respect for his integrity. He said he lost 250 relatives in the holocaust because the Zionists who were willing to pay thousands to save the Jews that would benefit Israel later on, refused to pay even $1:50 to save the lives of other Jews.

    He also said the trial with Eichmann was really to pacify the Orthodox Jews who lost so many. One Jewish speaker that he mentioned said that they needed a lot of martyrs to convince the allies to give them Israel - which certainly doesn't speak well for the Zionists. There were also the Jews that fought heroically in the German army and received medals. I'm sure they were in the army in WWII.

    I know that in WWI leaflets were dropped from planes by the English telling the Jews not to fight for Germany, and that Britain would give them Palestine. I'm sure that didn't sit well with the Germans.
     
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    None of which excuses the Germans, Jeannette.
     
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    At least they can say they fought against communist thug rule that devastated their country for decades. While like moi pointed out: Sons and Daughters of the Confederate States of America Parade keep the soul alive that it was a honor to massacre around for the sake to enslave black people for being black. And enslaving means, raping and selling children. Not just forced harsh labor and torture.
     
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    Massive difference between some SS army units who did their thing at concentration camps, and other SS army units who fought at the front line against the communists. In that perspective, those at the frontline were right on par with them American baby killers of Vietnam.
     
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    75% of the south in Vietnam would have voted for Ho Chi Minh, kids.

    The 'little peope' of SVN hated the autocrats in the South far more than the commies.
     
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    Oh, stop it. We have been through that the SS, whether on the front or in the camps, were bad muthas, far more than the Wehrmacht. The Waffen SS was found to be a criminal organization at Nuremberg. Enough.
     
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    Your myopic Germanophobia is clouding your ability to look at the mid 1900s (WW 2 era) with any objectivity or clarity.

    Firstly, Germany's WW 2 Military had about 2 million non German fighters including about 150,000 Jews.
    In addition to Germans, there were Slavs, Blacks, Arabs, Asians, Frenchmen, Spaniards and numerous other nationalities & groups who wore the German uniform.(1)
    To blame every atrocity committed by someone in a German uniform is at least inaccurate.
    Incidentally, many Jews rose to the highest ranks with Hitler's full knowledge & approval & commanded hundreds of thousands of men.(2)

    Secondly, you're probably not familiar with Genrikh Yagoda who is responsible for 10 million deaths but have heard of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and other architects of equal or greater mass killings.
    Would you be equally offended if Veteran participants of other mass killings celebrated an event & if not, why?

    Finally, don't rely on anything credible coming from the Nuremberg "Trials" that was & remains widely condemned around the world for its blatant vengefulness, forged documents, tortured confessions & perjured testimony. (3)



    (1)"Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor."CONTINUED


    (2) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587


    EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED


    (3) "The Nuremberg Trials Were A “High-Grade Lynching Party” – Harlan Fiske Stone, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/nure...-fiske-stone-chief-justice-u-s-supreme-court/
     
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    More bullshit. There were no "jews" in the SS. There were second order mischlings who had connection to their jewish ancestors and people with "jewish" names that scumbag apologist claim were jews.

    The Einstzgruppen ARE the very essense of what the SS were all about.

    Were there jews in the german army BEFORE the Nazis? Yep, my paternal granddaddy won an Iron Cross in WW1. But by ww2. The only "jews" left were ones that didn't know they were.

    Imagine Churchill being pissed enough to bomb the Germans back to the stone age after what Addie and Herm did to England in the Blitz. Actions have consequences and the result of their little plan that didn't work was the allies decided saturation bombing was just the ticket to victory they needed.
     
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    I support the basic human right of every decent man to shoot them in the head the next time they march.
     
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    Yes, public displays are excellent for education. For instance the non marchers can discuss how the Nazis operated. What they did. Show both sides though.

    Overall Nazis were a huge subtraction from civilization. Their socialism was an advancement in the views of Democrats and I believe to Americans it was the wars and brutality most hated over the socialism of Nazis. Today Democrats will deny they approved the socialism but study what FDE emulated. Study the programs of the Nazis such as health care, public building projects and paid vacations to workers for good proofs of how similar they are to democrats.
     
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    The Nazis were fascists, Robert, and prominent Republicans like Ford and Lindbergh loved them.

    FDR led the Americans out of isolationism into a war to save the world from fascism, and he succeed.

    Republicans like @Robert will deny that Republicans loved the Nazis but the facts stand for themselves.

    I agree that Republicans think health care, public building projects (Hoover Dam, TVA, etc.) and paid vacations are somehow Nazi inventions and bad things.
     
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    My opinion of American troops that target civilians is no different than my opinion of the SS for doing it.

    That doesnt change the fact that the SS was created specifically to carry out the types of atrocious missions and campaigns that the regular german forces would have likely refused.
     
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    Wonder why the Germany party never called itself fascist?

    Democrats loved them as well. FDR modeled our economy on the German economy.

    Frankly as advanced as he made Germany, it is a wonder more nations did not model themselves on his system of Government.

    Also even today Democrats want to convert us to his style of economy.

    FDR created our war for us.


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    I equate the SS to our special forces.
     
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    The South suffered dearly for slavery. The death toll in the Civil War is more than that of all our wars combined.

    Blacks were not the only slaves. All the towns along the Mediterranean were abandoned for fear of being captured and sold into slavery. The Barbary pirates went as far as the British isles. My great-great- grandaunt was taken into slavery during the greatest massacre Europe had ever seen. The slave markets in Istanbul were always packed, especially when the good looking Circassions left Russia and entered Turkey en masse.

    But look if you're going to blame the slave owners, then blame the blacks that captured them, and the Arabs that sold them, and the ship owners that brought them over.
     
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    How many of those programs came from Russia? I say Russia and not the Soviet Union because I read that all the beneficial social programs of the Soviet Union were started by Tsar Nicholas II - and that was way before Hitler and the rise of the Nazi party. Tsar Nicholas also came up with a court at the Hague that was the precursor to the UN.
     
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    Stinnett is a silly conspiracy theorist.
     
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    What was their mistake? Fighting with the Nazis to protect their homeland?
    It's not like the U.S. or Russia have never allied with someone evil to fight against someone else, is it?
     
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    This is what I know personally. My mother's from a Greek island, and the only person I know of that was allowed to fish for food was very German looking - as was his family. Starvation was rampant in her town since they depended on sailing and shipping for their livelihood. I had one relative who worked for the Germans and again she was blond and very German looking. She was actually a spy, and passed the messages to the resistance. These were the only people able to get food that I know of.

    Anyway my relatives had to walk miles to the peasant villages to exchange goods for food. It's estimated that 300 thousand died of starvation alone, mostly in Athens, but it might be much higher since records weren't kept.

    Emaciated Greek children during WWII.

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