Waitstaff - 10USD per hour should be maximum - no tipping

And quite generally speaking, a waiter or waitress that isn't a complete jerk will get far more than $3.25/hr in tips. I knew a bunch of people who waited tables - none of them had it bad. My sister waits tables and when I was home for Christmas she made $80 in tips on a three hour shift (her restaurant has really odd hours). She told me she that was because its the holidays, and she normally only makes about half that - $40 in tips in a four hour shift, and that's in addition to her hourly pay. My mother and other sister waited tables and did about as well, easily making $15/hr or so on average. My Aunt was just ungodly good at her job - she made three to five hundred dollars on a four hour shift, and that was what was normal for her. She became an interior designer and doesn't make half what she did waiting tables.

And like I said, it depends on performance. I tip based on the waiter/waitress's performance, and at restaurants I've been to more than a couple times my experience seems to get better. The waiting staff seems to recognize that I tip based on performance, and I tend to get very good service - fast, friendly, polite, and my water is never empty. And so I continue to tip such staff generously.

 

I wonder if that is these peoples issue, they actually think waitresses make min wage

 

if everyone refused to tip for good service like some here, they would not even make a min wage, that is the point

 

and its a silly point. Its a non-existent hypothetical.

 

Years ago, my grandfather ordered pizza. It arrived 50 minutes later and was cold. He paid for it anyway, because he didn't believe in not paying for things you buy, but he didn't tip.

The kid who delivered it had the gall to demand a tip, so my grandfather said these exact words to him.

"You want a tip son? OK. Next time get here when the pizza's still hot. Now get off my property before I shoot you as a tresspasser."

 

wait staff make less then a min wage..... because people are suppose to tip for good service

many restaurants automatically add 15% on to the tab as a tip, maybe you think all should do that

or maybe they could ask each customer if they tip before ordering, if they do not tip, an auto 15% is added

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Some states do pay them regular minimum wage.

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And in my experience, most service sucks, because it's become rude to not tip. So most wait staff have it in their head that they will be tipped anyway and neglect their jobs.

 

I usually get great service, guess it must be the aurora you put off or something then if everyone is giving you bad service

 

Not everyone does, but most I have had feel entitled to a tip no matter how their service is, and their service is sub par because they feel it's not required.

 

it's silly to never tip

 

why should owners get a chunk of any "leftover" tips? This is flawed thinking. Good waitstaff make more than $10 per with tips.

 

Well, there ya go Munter. Overwhelming public sentiment against your wacky idea. Stick with the politics, you fail less miserably there.

 

It's right.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/wagestips.htm

 

Where do you get that from? That is illegal and I have never heard of that happening anywhere.

Do you have any proof that "[m]ost owners take a cut of the tips" or is that just what you feel to be the truth?

 

Federal law:
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

 

It wouldn't be incentive for them to have better service, merely more tables, which in most cases would result in worse service. (ever had a waitperson that was slammed due to having too many tables?)

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Federal law says that at minimum tipped people (the ones paid below minimum wage) have to have their pay supplemented up to minimum wage if they aren't making at least minimum wage with tips.

 

No, they wouldn't. Federal law says that tipped employees are guaranteed minimum wage either as a combination of the $2.13 an hour base and tips, or just wage. That is if a waitress isn't making $6 an hour in tips, they get their pay supplemented by employer. That said, it's rare that tipped employees that are any good get less than minimum wage.

 

Really? I find most service is pretty good to excellent. IMHO, to some degree it has to do with your attitude. Some former friends used to get bad service all the time (and when we were with them, we would as well). They were picky and not the most friendly, and attracted bad service. About the only time I get bad service is when the waiter/ress is slammed due to one of the other staff members not showing up.

 

How about 0 pay per hour, and a percentage of the bill for each table waited on? They'd be encouraged to sell more food, which would make them and the company more money.

 

Not if the level of service goes down. Think about what happens if your waitress has too many tables? Service sucks.

 

The waitstaff is the sales staff. They get a base wage and commission on what they sale. Part of their job is to entice the customer into spending more money and then become repeat customers. The best way to do that is through a base wage/commission struture. A GOOD waiter/waitress in a medium cost restaurant can make a very good living.

 

The level of service won't go down, nor the wait staff too small. If the employer doens't have to pay any wages upfront they can get all the help they need. If wait staff knows they get a commission off each sale they will be sure to give good service so they get repeat customers. In some jobs, hourly pay is the worst thing to do.

 

Went out to eat with the extended family the other night at a Logan's Roadhouse, a mid level steak house. I paid for me and 4 others (2 little kids) and tipped $20, another group of three probably $15, two singles probably $5 each and another coupe probably about $10. We were there for an hour and half. That is $40 an hour. And I think she had one other table going during that time with a party of four so if $20 at that table that is what $58 an hour.

Not bad money and that was just for an hour and a half of what may be a 4-5 hour shift.

 

Of course the level of service would go down if the waitress has too many tables. Good service takes time. For the most part, waitresses are getting a commission off of each sale--tips function as such. I agree that hourly pay for waitresses would result in bad service, unless they had some kind of profit sharing plan.

 

Why should the tips be split? If one person is a better server than another, why should they be punished like that? You can't use the argument that the other people aren't being paid enough because you just said that everyone should be given a flat rate of $10 an hour regardless of their performance. If they needed more, you would have asked for more in your initial argument.

Why do you guys insist on socializing everything?