Want to live 10 years longer?

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I sincerely applaud you folks who can eat diets like keto or vegan and whatnot....

    The reaper could appear in front of me right now and say conclusively, if you eat like that I will allow you to live to 80, if you eat like you do now I will take you at 70, and I'd hand him one of my beers and cheers him while I count down the days until my 70th birthday.

    I read through this thread, none of the meals I've read sound even remotely appetizing lol.

    Mid rare bone in ribeye + beer > salad with nuts and cheese on it lol....

    Plus knowing my luck I'd be the guy trying to live a few years longer eating salads and stuff and end up getting hit by a bus around the same age I would have died of a heart attack anyway lol.
     
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    This was my everyday meal, Chief. Cutting back on my red meat intake.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    That's good, eating a steak for dinner probably isn't the healthiest idea.

    I eat meat pretty often, mainly because I drink too much and after having a few beers tossing a few brats on the grill always seems like a great idea. Especially now during the summer. I try to not eat absolutely terrible but I don't purposefully not eat something if I want it. Basically never in my life have I ever wanted to order a pizza and told myself "naw you probably shouldn't because that's not healthy". if I want a steak I'm getting a steak. I'm not counting calories...ever.

    I guess I'm not really THAT unhealthy. I drink A LOT of water for some reason, I always have. All I drink is water, well and booze. That's likely part of the reason why I have the uncanny ability to drink so much and rarely ever wake up hungover. It's always funny to call up my prior night drinking buddies bright and early the next day while they're sitting in the fetal position in the dark wondering how the hell I'm alive let alone up and moving around. I assume it's partly due to the fact that I drink gallons of water per day so I'm never dehydrated.

    I don't eat sweets not because of some health reason but because I just don't have much of a sweet tooth and rarely will I drink a soda.

    The one thing I can be proud of is me having quit smoking years ago. That was the one thing that always made me feel like crap and I can tell a HUGE difference in my energy levels and just the way I feel overall after having quit smoking.
     
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    Yea 3 years ago I quit. I too notice a huge difference. Especially on long runs
     
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    I quit about 10 years ago, I was about a pack a day, I am jealous of the people that can smoke a couple cigarettes a day and that is it, that just was not me, once they added the FSC stuff to them, it caused me lung issues like asthma, so maybe a blessing in disguise, especially with the cost of them nowadays, as it made me quit, but I do feel for those that smoke now as that can not be good for them

    ironically quitting smoking also helped me to quit sugars, I used that as a reference and knew I would get past it and the urge would go away
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    The invention of the vape cig is what made me quit. I can still "smoke" but can do so in a more healthy manner. (So they say).

    I will say that whatever is in vape juice IS "better" than whatever is in cigarettes. I was a pack a day smoker for years and even smoking as much as I did I still smoke this vape thing even more than I did cigarettes. However I feel so much better than I ever did while smoking actual cigarettes. I inhale probably 3x as much vape stuff as I did cigarette smoke yet feel so much better than I used to. So it's working. I just hope its not killing me in some other unseen way that we haven't discovered yet.

    It's nicotine that I am addicted to but the act of smoking (mainly the throat hit) is more of what I am addicted to. I'm just so used to puffing on something that it's a habit I have a hard time breaking. I've tried everything from the most powerful nicotine gums to nicotine toothpicks to even dip. I get the nicotine that I crave but me not puffing on something is what I can't break. So I found myself reaching for the vape cig even when chewing on nicotine gum or a nicotine toothpick.

    Its the "throat hit" that I crave. I've tried a variety of vape flavors and what I discovered is that the intensity of the throat hit is directly attributed to the nicotine level of the juice. I've found that a slightly lower dose nicotine of menthol juice gives the hit that I like so much. I've found that I'm not even addicted to the nicotine as much as I thought, I'm addicted to the hit I feel. If they can figure out a way to recreate that without nicotine then I'd likely be able to shed nicotine altogether.
     
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    I agree, that is how I quit too, e-cigs made it much easier, I had planed to vap forever, but when I got to no nicotine, just juice, after awhile I just started using less and less till I stopped altogether without really trying

    I think your right about that hit feel, that is what really felt so good
     
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    I've found that as long as I keep myself distracted doing something then I don't really notice. For example when I'm reading a book or out fishing I don't puff on it very often at all. But if I'm just sitting around I reach for it every couple of minutes out of pure habit.

    Out fishing last week I actually left it in my truck on accident. I didn't feel like heading back to the truck so I just kept on and didn't really think much of it. I've proven to myself that I can survive and function just fine without it without even craving it as much as I think I would, but me actually prohibiting myself from using it is something I don't really want to do.

    Either way it's a heck of a lot better for me than smoking was, at least my body thinks so. The drinking is the next thing I need to probably cut back on. But that one will be hard.
     
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    yep, it's basically the same stuff from a fog machine that they use at public events, pretty safe
     
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    Well, all the best to you. I'm sure that's a pleasing and comforting thing to believe.
     
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    Parental modelling is about 99% of it. Even modelling poor impulse control (self-medication) via things like shopping or eating, will have the same impact as self-medicating via substances. It sends the message that ordinary life cannot be 'coped with', without impulsively reacting like a toddler. Since the quickest and easiest (to a young adult) form of self-medication is 'substance', that tends to be what they will express it as - even if their model was just a 'moody mother who soothed herself by shopping'. Of course, parents who drink/smoke/do drugs/gamble etc are sending a much more direct message about how to handle life's little bumps.
     
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    trump's parents must not of been good examples then or he would not act the way he does

    seriously though, I agree parenting is part of it, but I do not think it's 99% of it

    if a person works hard and decides to have a few drinks on occasion or a smoke to relieve some stress, more power to them, not my place to decide for them, unless i walk in their shoes I have no idea if they would be better off or not changing because it's what I think is better for them

    loving parents are what is most important, many great parents smoked or drank, ect.... many bad parents did neither, it's not really a deciding factor

    I have known people that wont touch alcohol cause one of their parents drank too much, I have know those that drink too much and their parents did not touch the stuff
     
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    When I am exercising 4 times a week my resting heart rate is around 60 and I eat a lot of protein in the form of eggs, fish chicken and yes, red meat too.
     
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    Eating a keto diet can be even more appetizing that the carb diet. I had chicken thighs covered in a cheese, garlic and spinach sauce for dinner and it was awesome. Spicy butter chicken is another favorite of mine.
     
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    Drinking water avoids a hangover and if I feel that I might have too much to drink I will take a shower before climbing into bed. While I am drinking I always have a glass of water at the same time. So yes, keeping fully hydrated is the key to avoiding hangovers.

    Great job giving up smoking since that alone will keep the reaper at bay for a decade or so.

    One of the keys to maintaining a healthy weight is to eat smaller portions. We have the mistake of dishing huge portions and then finishing them. I started dishing my own food onto side plates and using a small salad fork instead of a regular one. After a while my body adapted and my weight is constant and I am not hungry.

    Like you I do drink a lot during the day but in my case it is English Breakfast Tea since I have developed a taste for it. I have it unsweetened with just a little skim milk several times a day.
     
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    Quitting hanging around with your buddies drinking beer is probably the hard part. While I stopped drinking beer a long time ago I switched over to sipping Tequila on the rocks instead. Nowadays I only have a sundowner which is a double that takes me about an hour and a half to finish. I don't need or want anything more than that and if I am out for the evening I don't miss not having it at all.
     
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    Use this as the base recipe. Most call for pasta but obviously us Ketos don't do that part
    https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/marinated-shrimp-with-champagne-beurre-blanc-108934

    I'm not seeing the heavy creme in that one though. I think I used a hybrid of two recipes that used butter and heavy cream. I need to dig up my recipes. I haven't made it for awhile because all of the woman I've seen since my Number One don't eat shrimp or dairy. But it is the tastiest dish I've ever made. I know I used this as the base recipe.
     
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    Beer has maltose. Each molecule immediately goes to two glucose molecules. One of the worst reactions I've ever had was to beer. I had one beer on a Wed and two beers the following Friday. It took me out for an entire weekend. I couldn't understand why until I read up on maltose.

    I stopped drinking on my 21st birthday. The few times I strayed from this I regretted it severely. And it doesn't take much. I have managed to sip a little Champagne. But more than half a glass and I'm feeling it. You really have to dig into the metabolism and not just the label, so the glycemic index is the best measure.
    https://www.glycemic-index.org/alcohol-glycemic-index.html

    Low-carb alcohol – the best and the worst drinks
    https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/alcohol

    Looking at how foods and drinks affect hypoglycemics, or those like me with metabolic syndrome, is a good guideline for ketos because the goal is essentially the same - to avoid triggering an insulin response.

    And I can't say enough good about Metamucil. :D Helps to balance blood sugar levels, in addition to all of the benefits of fiber. I know there are those who object to psyllium but it has been recommended by doctors for decades.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318707.php
     
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    This is a huge one for me. Luckily for me I have the genetics that sort of prevents me from gaining weight unless I do so purposefully. But yeah I'm guilty of over indulging almost all the time. I'm usually content eating smaller portions and I even tell myself that I'm already full, but then I just want more usually because whatever I'm eating is good. For example last night I grilled up one of my favorite recipes for dinner. Bratwursts boiled in a marinade of beer and onions and spices then tossed on the grill. They were absolutely delicious as always and they are filling. I was content after eating one, full after eating two, but they were so good that I wanted a third so I had one.
     
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    an interesting article

    Alcohol is burned before carbs, carbs are burned before fat

    by the carbs are the preferred fuel for the body because it burns it first, the same logic must be applied to alcohol, the body prefers is as it will burn it before carbs

    of course we know that logic is flawed, but sadly many believe it for carbs

    truth is your body was designed to store most of it's energy as fat as that is the preferred fuel for much of the body, even though your body burns the others first as too much of them in the blood are toxic imo

    http://blog.questnutrition.com/carb...-fuel-source-despite-what-you-have-been-told/

    "Alcohol has sometimes been called the fourth “macronutrient” as it is metabolized completely differently than carbs, proteins or fats. Alcohol provides 7 calories per gram versus 4 calories per gram for both protein and carbohydrate and 9 for fat. If you give the body all four substances at once (Alcohol, carbs, protein and fat) it will preferentially burn off the alcohol first, then the carbs, then the fat and protein. Does this mean that the body “prefers” alcohol?"

    "Since we can all agree that alcohol is toxic, we can safely assume that the body doesn’t burn it first because it prefers it. Rather, it burns it first because your body knows that it has to handle the most toxic substance first. Now, armed with that information, re-ask the question of whether the body burns carbs before proteins and fat because it’s preferred or because it’s toxic."
     
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    a tip I got from a surgeon friend, while water is good something with electrolytes like Gatorade is better...but hosts rarely have gatorade on hand so like you he would drink water between alcoholic drinks, he'd also have an ibuprofen with each alcoholic beverage...finally before he went to sleep he would drink an entire glass of water and another when he woke up...also have a good meal before you drink and avoid sugar(coke or other soda mixes in drinks) which also dehydrates apparently...

    I have no idea if that worked I gave up going on uncontrolled benders 35 yrs ago...a mild buzz while sharing a bottle of wine with the mrs suffices now a days...
     
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    http://www.mydr.com.au/addictions/hangovers-how-your-body-is-affected

    sense Alcohol is at the top of the list of choices for the liver to process, I would guess if you drank heavily for 3 to 4 weeks your body would adapt to using it as an energy source, course you would also likely become addicted and the brain would send send messages to get more when it started to run low, just like it does for sugar, so not a good solution

    dehydration would definitely be helped by drinking more water and may help remove the alcohol sooner so the body could again regulate glucose levels from carbs and protein as one probably has low blood sugar, especially if dancing and being active while drinking as that would use up your reserves, maybe eating some carbs pre-drinking would help, like an hour before, just to top off your reserves

    seems alcohol also causes the veins to dilate in the brain, causing headaches, so the not smoking recommendation on that page seems at odd with that as smoking causes the veins to constrict, which would seem to counteract that one, they may of just thrown that one in there just cause, as they do not explain why they recommend not smoking while drinking, many do though smoke too much while drinking and have coughs or breathing issues the next day, so maybe that is why they recommend not to smoke while drinking to prevent hangovers, as that just adds to the pain

    I do wonder if some of those diabetes gels for a quick glucose hit like "Insta-Glucose Liquid Diet Supplement" would bypass the liver and get that to the blood faster to raise blood sugar even while it's still processing the alcohol still in the morning, maybe a little before bed and some in morning, I don't drink, so can't test it

    wyly, I agree, some electrolytes woudl prob help as well

    the best solution to prevent hangovers is probably to drink less alcohol ;)
     
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    I know that feeling. My daughter makes a potato leek soup that is so delicious I can't resist seconds even when I know that I should have had a smaller bowl for the first helping.

    So my solution is to just forgo dessert. I have no idea if it is equivalent to that second helping but I prefer the soup to the dessert so that is how I deal with the problem.
     
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    Doesn't Gatorade have sugar in it? :eek:

    Yes, benders are behind me too. My tequila gives me that same mild buzz while my spouse prefers wine.
     
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    12 oz
    21 grams of sugar.
    160 mg of salt
    45 mg of potassium

    They don't sell 12 oz bottles but that is a serving size. :rolleyes: So one bottle of Gatorade has more sugar than a can of coke.

    Coke has 39 grams of sugar in 12 oz
     
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