Warmongers in Washington badly want a war with Iran

Ah, fear mongering based on feelings and activist propaganda and not fact. Love it.

 

Funny how people are accusing Trump of directly indicating what he will do then the same people are complaining that he is sending mixed messages.

 

And beside the environmental concerns theres's the fact that oil is a largely fungible commodity. It mixes well, though not entirely. If the supply to Europe is cut that will still effect it's overall price and raise our prices accordingly

 

The 'mixed' signal also exists when what he says, and what he does are different.

 

No, simple logic, Fracking works by shattering the rock strata, allowing the oil to migrate all over under pressure. How can it NOT contaminate water supplies?

 

Yeah, great for confusing the enemy but unfortunately the when the left gets confused it is treason.

 

Americans support wars, they like it. It is much better then healthcare, guaranteed vacations and decent food.

 

What evil? I don't see any evil, and I don't think the rest of the world does other than a few paranoids. Israel and Saudi Arabia come to mind.

 

Since the day Trump was elected the Democrats knew their Hope's of war with Russia were gone for at least 8 years. Then Trump doubled down on keeping the US out of conflicts and drastically lowered the numbers of troops in Syria. They cant abide by him not starting a war with Iran.

So now what they will do is to try to play to Trumps ego and bait him into attacking Iran by calling him weak and indecisive.

 

They've been killing Americans for 40 years. The Beirut bombing (200+ Marines dead), etc. etc.

They routinely threaten Israel with extinction.

They just don't play well with others.

 

Yes drill baby drill and destroy our water supply not to mention the earthquakes. Those holes are now weak points in the crust and they can never again be filled - and there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of them.

As for the bombs away, well we only side with aggressor nations anyway so why not. Nothing new!

They say that wicked birds will fly,

together up in yonder sky.​

But not the true, for fate has shown
that justice likes to fly alone - Jeannette

​

 

Assad said that if the Americans leave then the Iranians will leave as well. What's wrong with that?

 

Does anyone here realize that Russia has a security agreement with Iran? Russia also has good relations with Israel, so why not let them handle it?

 

War profiteering is not beholden to any one party.

 

You forget America is the base of Christian Zionism and they have been working with Netahyahu since the 90's - I think since talk of the two state solution which they were determined would not be. Bolton and Pompeo are both Christian Zionists and of course Pence as well. They are as extreme as ISIS and they seem to be the people running the US now.

On another level, the US has supported Israel going against International Law for at least the last two decades. It is not surprising that having done this they too are now a Rogue State.

and yes it will be big and however it goes it is going to be something which most of the American Public will be tearing their hair out that they were stupid enough to allow to come into being.

 

I have an American friend, Dave who's father is Persian, and each time we meet we discuss Iran as he travels there.

He tells me that the regime there is awful, barbaric, the worst kind. With many colorful examples. He also feels that the Islamic group that holds power has little connections to the people(not religious fanatics or islamists) and no connection at all with the younger generation.

I am not aware, got any links for that? Russia will not risk its skin for Iran, no chance whatsoever, so I am having a hard time to believe that. Russia could jump in the carnage for Belarus only, and that's a big maybe.

 

A subject that has nothing to do with this thread

War in the Midwest would definitely effect oil prices but no where near as dramatically as it would before America got back in the game and became the world's largest oil producer. Oil stability in the Mideast is a factor but it's not running the show as it previously did and frees us to do what needs to be done without fear of being cut off from oil.

 

It could still raise prices at the pump, particularly if speculators get involved

 

A fallacious set of claims meant to dodge the fact that US oil production increases have made us far less vulnerable to such an tumultuous part of the world.

 

I'm sure it would but not to previous catastrophic levels. OPEC no longer has us over an oil barrel

 

I agree very much but we must be VERY careful NOT to think the Iranian people including the youth are looking to overthrow their government and want American "help". This is the real reason they overthrew the Shah, not because he was a cruel tyrant (he wasn't that bad by Southwest Asian standards, particularly at first) but because he was in America's pocket and made no secret of it. They still remember Mossa Degh and will not tolerate even a hint of outside interference in their internal affairs

And the Mullahs make skillful use of that fact Loudly rattling their sabres at the West whenever they perceive restlessness in their populace or need to throw more money at their military, the same as North Korea

I just hope that Trump's advisors know this and can restrain him. Trump himself is incapable of anything but "Not American=Bad" in the strange Quasi Nazi world he occupies so all alone.

 

Before 9/11, the following countries operated their own banking systems independent of the globalized Central Baking System:
Iraq
Iran
Afghanistan
Libya
Syria
North Korea

Now its just Syria, NK and Iran. Well, and Russia, to a limited but notable extent.

 

I'm apologize! I came across mention of Russian security guarantees to Iran and thought Iran was part of the Shanghai Cooperation agreement. Iran had not been allowed membership for years, and I haven't found anything that would change that.

As for jumping in the carnage, Putin has never backed down on his word or commitment, so Moscow is sure to support any nation it has an agreement with. As for Iran, Russia does have certain agreements and Iran does allow them the use of its airports, but they try to maintain a balance between their relationship with Iran and Israel's legitimate security concerns.

Russia is the one that guarantees Iranian troops or Hezbollah will not come within a certain distance of Israel's border in Syria, and has installed Chechnyans 'Sunni' troops in Russian uniforms as guards.

 

The Gulf is still open and no one died. A tremendous victory.

 

I have always believed that one of Trumps strong points was that he was not a neoCON war monger. It really puzzled me when he hired Bolton who is a chicken hawk deluxe and has been burning to bomb Iran for decades. However, if Trump let’s these guys sucker him into a bombing, shooting war with Iran, it’s all on him and he will go down as the worst president in the last 100 years. He ought to do like he did with the little creep in North Korea and start a positive dialog between our two countries.