Was Global Warming The Cause of the Great Northwest Heatwave? Science Says No.

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Let us start with “Wattsupwiththat is NOT science it is a denialist blog that cherry picks and misrepresents science. No blog is “science” unless it is written to academic standards I.e. with citations showing where the data has been sourced and supporting claims. Your blog site has no such citations. It has graphs that are not identified as to where they were sourced and for all we know were hand drawn with photoshop.

    on that websites is a rebuttal

    https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2021/07/was-global-warming-cause-of-great.html
     
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    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    Meanwhile the total mass loss is negligible to total mass of the ice fields:

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    There have been long period of times in the early Holocene up to the MWP of little to ZERO summer ice, yet the Polar Bears are still here and so are Eskimos.



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    This after Sea Ice extent has been declining since 1979, the Bears population increased anyway because they don't need summer sea ice cover for their survival.
     
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  3. politicalcenter

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    So, this science is right and the science on climate change is wrong. Gotcha.
     
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  4. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    Who and what are you responding to?
     
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    Citation for this rubbish?
     
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    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    The OP.
     
  7. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    Do you know who wrote that OP and what did he write about?
     
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    Historic lows were predicted by the Global Warming models. Right? ;-)
     
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  9. Sunsettommy

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    False.
     
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    Sarcasm....
     
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    The Global Warming models did NOT predict historic lows!
    Wow! Yet another inconvenient truth. ;-)
     
  12. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Simple answer:

    Surface melt and total melt-day area for the Greenland Ice Sheet at the end of the 2021 spring season was below the 1981 to 2010 average. Snowfall and rain (minus runoff) added mass to the ice sheet. As of June 20, total mass gain for the ice sheet since September 2020 was slightly above average. The spike from June 25 to June 27 will be discussed in later a post.​

    http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
     
  13. Jack Hays

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    99.5% of the Greenland ice sheet present in 1900 is still there today. It is not a concern in any case.
     
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    If that's true, then Greenland is not where most of the ice loss is occurring in the Arctic. I can see why deniers would choose to focus on that and ignore the rest.
     
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  15. Sunsettommy

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    The Arctic ice is already FLOATING in the Arctic ocean thus not a contributory to changes in sea level.

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    Meanwhile you fret over a very small sea level changes of recent years while ignoring massive ones of the past in this interglacial period:

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    Calling people deniers can make you look foolish, when it appears YOU are the one denying the entire climate history of the Interglacial period.

    There is NO climate Emergency!
     
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  16. Jack Hays

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    Still not a problem.
     
  17. Jack Hays

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    Garbage in, garbage out.

    Flawed Heatwave Report Leads to False Headlines in Major Media

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    A failure that misinformed you and millions of others, and a failure that highlighted glaring weaknesses in the media’s ability to cover important scientific issues. And it revealed the

    "Last week we witnessed a major failure in science communication regarding the Northwest heatwave.

    A failure that misinformed you and millions of others, and a failure that highlighted glaring weaknesses in the media’s ability to cover important scientific issues. And it revealed the disappointing behavior of some members of the scientific community.

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    The Northwest Heatwave Attribution Study

    During the last week of June, the U.S. Pacific Northwest and southwest Canada experienced the most severe heatwave on record. So extreme that all-time high-temperature records were not only broken but obliterated. My recent blogs describe the situation in detail.

    Within a week, an international group of scientists, policy researchers, and others rushed to create and distribute an attribution analysis of the heatwave. A study trumpeting an extreme claim in the first sentence of the report:

    “Based on observations and modeling, the occurrence of a heatwave with maximum temperatures as observed in the area was virtually impossible without human-caused climate change”

    As I will show below and previously demonstrated in my recent blogs, this claim is not supported in the document or by the rigorous science, and, in fact, the material in the attribution report contradicts this assertion. I will provide substantial evidence that the heatwave attribution report, which has not been submitted for peer-review, is profoundly flawed, with serious technical and interpretative errors. . . . "
     
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    It is amazing that warmist/alarmists idiotically call it a global warming event when it was 100% based on THREE weather events converging in a single region, while ignoring massive cooling region in Central part of USA.
     
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    Global warming scientists are not measuring land temperatures, they are measuring ocean temperatures which are rising. It is the oceans that maintain our temperatures by absorbing the heat from the sun and cooling it down before releasing it back into the atmosphere. The oceans are being oversaturated with the higher air temps which decreases their ability to cool down the warm air. Due to the warming ocean temps we are seeing much more stronger and volatile storms. Warm water is energy for hurricanes. I live in Puerto Rico so the thought of this taking place troubles me greatly.

    Water warms up more slowly than air but can hold more heat – water needs 4 times as much energy to raise its temperature by 1ºC as the same mass of air does – so the ocean plays an important part in taking up energy from the Sun and stopping the Earth getting too hot.

    https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/res...hat,a vertical structure to most of the ocean.
     
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    No, we are not seeing storms that are either stronger or more volatile. And cooler mid-Pacific temperatures will likely drive another La Nina event in coming months.
     
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    A typical deflection by ignoring the article written by a PHD in Meteorology who made an honest assessment of the heatwave phenomenon which was based on THREE Weather events converging onto the same region.

    Why can't you address it directly instead?
     
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    So you wanted to know if I believe global warming is caused by people or not. My question is does it really matter? The world will never stop using fossil fuels until it's gone so I guess eventually we or the children or their children will learn the answer. My advice to you is stop getting your knickers all twisted over this.
     
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    The prediction for 2021 is stronger hurricanes. I certainly hope you are correct as I do not want to experience a Hurricane Maria event ever again in my lifetime.
     
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    No they didn't say that, they forecasted a busy season NOT stronger storms.
     
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    Who're they?
     

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