Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

Not at all - while man made scripture may be made up - Free will is not.

 

Its not a womans role to propose. How is that misogyny to say? In Turkish shows I watched, they thought it wasn't really appropriate for women to propose to men.

 

It supports that there is free will. God tells us to choose for ourselves who we will serve. It doesn't say God chooses.

 

Bathsheba had the choice about to get into a relationship with David or not.

 

Hes talking about the consequences of sin. Its like a judge punishing a criminal. http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/EZEK+18.html

 

How is the Bible manmade dogma and what cant I explain about the Bible?

 

Oh we definitely have a free will, but to prove it is given by some god and not nature, you would have to prove that there is a god, or at least give some shred of evidence.

No one has in 5,000 years.

Regards
DL

 

You intentionally lie as you are ignoring the scriptures that call you a liar.

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DL

 

What Bible verse calls me a liar?

 

I did not say the Bible was man made dogma .. you should learn the difference. Last time we chatted you ran away from scripture - into the loving arms of your man made dogma.

 

What a joke of a response... you were not called a liar because of any Bible verse.

 

baaahh ... who said anything about proof... Two possibilities - A) God - and then one needs to define "God" - what one means by "God" or "The Gods" who said it had to be the Most high that did it .. could not some other being with "God -like" powers done it ?

B) There is no God - the forces of the universe are what they are.

The thing is GIA - when you think about this problem long enough - and get to the right perspective .. A and B matters not - they are one in the same. ... row row row your boat - gently down the stream - hopefully with a lass you fancy - merrily merrily merrily merrily - "Life is but a Dream"

and that said - there is more than one path - to the proper perspective - that perspective being defined by the property A and B does not matter.

So yes - in 5000 years - some have figured this one out - we call them the Enlighten ones .. those who have solved the riddle that I just invented in this post .. good one though I think.... although I had already come to the conclusion that A and B do not matter .. just not formulated it as a riddle for the masses.

 

What about my beliefs about the Bible do you think are dogma?

 

Trinity - perhaps go back and answer the last post that you ran from a number of days ago.

 

Proverbs 30:4 mentions the Trinity.

 

That is ridiculous but - even if it was not - how is that relevant to your belief in man made dogma ? Please post the verse and tell us how Proverbs 30:4 explains to us how Jesus is actually God - The Father - without ever mentioning Jesus.

This is mind bending absurdity - front and center - to suggest that the Author of Proverbs knew who Jesus was.. proverbs btw .. does not purport itself to be "Gods Word" - it is a collection of wise sayings from the time of Solomon -

but in any case ... I look forward to your explanation on how the verse in question discusses how Jesus is the Father - when any Biblical Encyclopedia that modern Trinity Doctrine is not explicitly mentioned in the NT -- never mind the Old.

This is made up silliness - a diversion tactic - some random claim that makes no sense - and of course backed up by nothing.

Is this what Jesus means at the end of Matt 7 - when he councils build your foundation on Rock

 

There is nothing in that entire book that says anything at all about free will. That's an xian concept devised to give their version of god a loophole.

 

Yeah, every "god" says that. You're just making this up, there is nothing whatsoever in there about free will. Stop making things up and read another part of the book if you're confused. Hint- the big 10 have a rule on this topic...

 

What part of - one does not need scripture - was not made clear in post 1 - and the concept of free will predates Christianity by many centuries.

The creator could have created an an automaton - but this is how we were created.
We exist - are aware of this existence - and have some control over our actions - that much we know - Beyond this - we do not know much with any certainty.

This then begs the question - who/what created us this way - A) God B) Nature

If you dig into this question - it is possible to come up with perspectives where it mattes not whether one chooses A) or B) - God still ends up bestowing free will on humans.

 

If "does not need scripture" is a real way of making xian claims, are you aware of how much the door is now open to make up anything you want and call it true? There is no need for free will without a god excuse of some kind. It's a religious construct designed to create a loophole.

 

This is not about scripture - nor is it about making up anything we want to call something true. This is not about some need for free will either.

This is about the fact that Free will exists. - do you disagree that this is true ? Accepting this fact - does not require me to accept anything else as Truth.

Christians might claim that Free will is proof of God - I say agreed - but it is not proof of "your God"

Why I agree with the premise that free will is proof of God (lets us soften it a bit to strong evidence for God) has nothing to do with scripture of any kind - or any religious writings - but from logical deduction from the one thing we know is True " I think therefor I Am"

 

No one can prove how, why, or when "free will" exists. Since there is no reasonable proof of it's existence it may be easily eschewed. While we are self-aware, that condition is not contingent upon or related to "free will".

 

Agreed - sans the when - we know we exist now - note the change in language from "free will" to knowledge of one's existence in addition to having the ability to act according to one's thoughts.

So when is now - Proven - so one flawed assumption down. How and Why ? Both are pure speculation but the "How" we have some evidence of how we work.. and we will get to this later. The why ? pure speculation.

OK - we have fallen down an existential well here .. you are now claiming there is no proof that Free will even exists ?

We have somehow gone from proof that God did it .. to prove that free will exists at all .. so this is a different goal post.

Sorry - but debating the existence of free will and or awareness- is way too far down the existential rabbit hole for me .. how about we debate whether or not water is wet ? yeah .. no thanks.

I was getting at whether or not God did it.. assuming that we both agreed that Free will is something that exists.

 

Free will exists because people have convictions about what they want to do.

 

That has nothing to do with anything, and is not evidence for “free will”.