Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

Liar.

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DL

 

Why did god create Job with a character that needed to be built up?

Why did Yahweh screw up on the initial creation of Job's character?

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What is surprising in all of this history, is the gullibility and outright fear that the ancients were forced to live under, by their vile immoral religions and governments.

Modern Christians are no better and in fact worse if you think education today is better than the ancients had.

Like in Eden, Christians do not want to know good from evil.

That might led them to recognized their satanic evil Yahweh, ---- as evil, and not as the good they see.

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This a lie, as man has dominion here.

We can give away land but Yahweh cannot.

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DL

 

Thanks for that first.

I am not angry with imaginary gods.

I am angry with the people, mostly disappointed and disgusted with their moral sense, as they can look at a genocidal prick of a god and call him good.

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DL

 

God made a covenant with the Jews giving them the land of Israel, because that is how he used the Jews to come down to humanity as the Messiah. That covenant with the Jews still has effect to this day because the Jews needed a homeland.

 

God wanted Job to be thankful it wasn't necessarily about him overcoming his weaknesses.

Job was a sinner. People's nature is sinful but they doesn't mean God created sinners.

 

I read in a book about ocd about a Jewish doctor who indirectly said that ocd is from the devil.

 

God wanted Job to be thankful. God allowed hardship because it develops people in terms of growing in God.

 

I don't agree with the Catholic teachings about Mary being a mediator and about salvation by works but that doesn't have anything to do with the Bible being true and Jesus dying for our sins.

 

It has been a progression - and in many respects the ancients lived in much less fear - kind of depends on the ancients we are referring to and of course the religion.

One thing we can say is that leaders recognized a long long time ago the power of religion over the masses. This was hugely dangerous on the one hand because "strength in numbers" - the ability of religion to rally people together for a cause.

Kings and Pharaoh's in the old days had much to worry over this danger - as when the people turn against you - they not only kill you but your family and of course your inner circle .. and so they put a whole lot of thought into this issue.

At least two things resulted from this pontification 1) is that while religion was dangerous it was also a tremendous control mechanism .. followed

2) the King needs to be the one in control of the Religion - think of things like Divine Right .. and Pontifex Maximus (this where the Caesar was also head of the religion a state religion and whose council came directly from God "divine right" and this person speaks for God. - its no secret why institutions such as this arose - Power and Control.

The ancient Egyptians had the concept of Maat - similar to the karma - at the end of days your deeds were weighed on the scales of justice - if you were found wanting, your were fed to the monster and that was that. So you better do some good - and avoid too much bad - or that will be your fate.

Now while this is scary - it is not that scary. Over time - the fear factor was increased. Zoroastrianism introduced the concept of eternal punishment .. something a whole lot more scary - and also more tricky.

Whether they knew it or not - "Forever" is something the mind does not deal well with - combine this punishment for eternity and now we are lodging something deep into the adherent's subconscious - and this impacts conscious actions. The ancients perhaps did not explain it this way - they just saw that it worked.

This was part of the "Secret Knowledge" passed down throughout the ages among the elite.

Notice that the focus here is on deeds - and various kings were quite cognisent of their deeds for this reason - even though they were king with absolute power.

Christianity came along and did an interesting thing. If you simply Question - or "Disbelieve" certain tenets of religious doctrine/dogma - the worst thing the mind can imagine will happen to you - eternal torture in the afterlife.

Do you notice the switch from deeds being the determinant factor - to "Belief" blind faith - in a man made doctrine. You can not question the King or Pharaoh - or cult leader for that matter - for this person speaks for God.

So this fear - "the Fear factor" - gets lodged deep in the subconscious of the adherent.
When that person comes across information that conflicts with ingested dogma - a fear response is triggered. The adherent will try to avoid the "Bad Thought" as thinking such things might lead them down a very bad path ..

This aspect of "thought avoidance" is what keeps folks from leaving the faith.

You see this play out when the adherent comes across questions to which there is no good response. After failing to refute some position - the adherent will go into the most mind bending denial of reality arguments - arguing that you can not prove that the sun will rise tomorrow or some similar ridiculousness.

Failing that the adherent will start to attack the messenger - "demonization of the messenger' - "The Other" The Unbeliever - will then be ostracized .. He Hari Krishna fellow I described was engaging in "Thought Stopping" - and this is no accident - someone was using sophisticated mind control techniques on this person.

Whether you recognized it or not - you have seen this play out before your eyes - many times. It is inevitable when you debate religion in a forum such as this.

 

Liar. He cannot give what is not his to give.

Are you calling scriptures a lie?

Where in the bible do you see Yahweh clawing back dominion over the Earth from man, after giving it to us in Eden?

Try your foul copy paste on that one, liar.

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DL

 

He most certainly did. He gave them a weakness with knowledge of the outcome.

 

They had one that Yahweh drove them out of.

Think more and you will sound less stupid.

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DL

 

If god did not create our natures then who did?

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DL

 

God created us with free will and in our free will we choose sin but that doesn't mean that God created us with a sinful nature.

 

They were driven out because of a temporary judgement but that didnt mean that it was wrong for them to eventually go back to that land.

 

You cant be perfect with free will, but that doesn't mean that God gave them a weakness.

 

Show me where in the bible that god gave anyone "free will".

 

God is always in control of the earth, before and after original sin.

 

Joshua 24: 15.
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

 

Don't need the Bible to tell you that God gave humans free will.

 

That is an obvious lie given that god created our natures.

If our natures are as defective as you foolishly think, he is punishing us for his mistakes.

Why do you promote a genocidal god who punishes the innocent instead of the guilty?

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DL

 

As long as they were willing to do some mass murdering of others.

You respect mass murder as you praise the prick that ordered them.

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DL

 

So your god, labelled as perfect in scriptures, has no free will then. Right?

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DL