WATCH LIVE: House Judiciary Committee Debates Articles of Impeachment

I would blame the President, who tried to assume the Congressional "power of the purse." The Clown Show is going on inside the White House.

 

You mean where the funds were released within the legal timeline and where Congress has always given the President wide latitude with previously like when Obama withheld funds from Pakistan?

You mean where the 'victim' wasn't even aware of the dem clown show quid pro quo narrative?

 

Republicans should just repeat unanimously: "No collusion, no obstruction, no quid pro quo, no nothing." The entire Republican House repeating that like a chant would be deafening lol.

 

You are confusing two different "deadlines." The September 30th deadline applies to ALL legislation not completed by the end of the fiscal year. It does not absolve the President of complying with the Impoundment Control Act of 1973, wherein he must inform Congress of his intent o withhold appropriated funds and give cause. IF Congress does not respond within 45 days, the funding must proceed. However, he never informed Congress officially of the withholding of funds, thus the Congressional "clock" of 45 days never started. If you have a contrary legal opinion on that, I'd be happy to read it. Trump released the funding after the Whistle Blower filed his compliant and the White House discovered they'd been caught. That release came three days after Congress requested an explanation for the funding withholding and asked for the preservation of all documentation related to the July 26th tel-con with Zelenskiy. Had the Whistle Blower not come forward with a compliant, and the September 9th letter from Congress NOT been written, the funding would have automatically died on September 30th and the administration would have had to go to Congress for new funding for FY 2020...and, as a result, would have been forced to explain the reason for the withholding of funds to Congress. Without the Whistle Blower, the administration may have stalled just long enough to obtain the public announcement they wanted from Zelenskiy prior to the September 30th date and avoided an explanation to Congress.
It was a "window of opportunity," which allowed the pretense of a quid pro quo to be run against Zelenskiy, and which blew-up in their faces with the Whistle Blower exposure. As a result Zelenskiy got the funding and didn't have to commit to a public announcement of the wanted investigations. Zelenskiy 1; Trump 0.

 

Yet, still no evidence of a quid pro quo.

 

Maybe you could suggest that they welcome the President with that on the occasion of his 2020 State of the Union Address...presuming he's still in office at that point.

 

Oh, he will still be in office by 2020 since this is designed to fail. The great news is that once it gets to the Senate, the dem clown show will lose their control over the narrative. They won't be able to block any republican witness like the House did.

 

But loads and loads of evidence for the "attempt" of one. Watch for Giuliani's upcoming arrest and indictment, along with Manafort and Stone turning state's evidence for reduced sentences. And, Liv and Igor? Whoa...bundles of stuff there.

 

I think you mean hearsay and presumption. That's all the dem clown show has.

 

Anyone stick around to the end? After a gruelingly long 14-hour day with nothing new getting done, Nadler closes today's debate and says they begin again at 10AM tomorrow for votes. Doug Collins is having a fit because Nadler did not let him, as ranking member, or any of the Republicans know the schedule change. They may have schedule conflicts. Collins is saying many members already have travel plans scheduled. They were expecting to wrap up today. Collins is calling it an ambush and bush-league politics.

No integrity = Nadler.

 

Aw...that's too bad, to have to spoil their travel plans and all. I suppose that some day they may get over it.

 

They offered to let Trump come and testify. Why do you think he was afraid of that? Not to mention him blocking witness testimony and his prohibition against turning over relevant documentation. Seems he wavered his due process rights, eh?

 

I started to predominantly use 538 a long time ago.

That chart is remarkably similar to the one I linked though.

 

The house has passed 400 bills.

The Senate has addressed 75.

 

Think the President will want to testify?

 

Hey, let the dems make clowns of themselves.

 

Thank you for bringing the discussion back to the actual topic of the thread. As an initial matter, the blame for the hearing lasting so long without anything being done should be laid squarely at the feet of the Republicans who forced all those amendments to a vote.

I happen to love this decision from a political messaging point of view. I can very easily predict the RNC campaign ads of trump being impeached in the "middle of the night when no one is watching."

Now that message becomes, "we were ready to vote in the middle of the night, but now the Democrats made some of us adjust our travel plans because they want more of the country watching this vote of a president getting impeached by this committee for only the 3rd time in US history."

 

LOL, this dem clown show can hardly be the Republicans fault. I love the disconnect with reality the left is having.

 

Each Democrat and Republican got equal time to speak and hear the sound of their own voice, and Republicans were obligated to constituents to propose amendments. This isn't a trivial matter like renaming a post office. This is about one party unseating a president from a different party.

Perhaps Nadler should have had a bit more foresight that a serious matter like impeachment debate might take more time. Nadler should have taken a vote on whether to vote yesterday and finish it, or to schedule an addition meeting to vote this morning. Some of the reps had conflicting meetings or had plans to travel. I can't imagine having less than 12 hours to have to reschedule everything the middle of the night.

Nadler is a lousy committee chairman at best. The decision was poor planning or a dirty trick on his part. At minimum, he should have talked to ranking member Collins a bit earlier, so Collins could have suggested a vote on whether to continue yesterday or drag everyone back in today to finish some dramatic cliff hanger.

Not that many people are watching the impeachment hearings anyway. Congress is boring us to death with this partisan show. Whether they voted last night or this morning wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome. People can get news after the fact without staring at C-SPAN live for over 14 hours one day, then have to tune back the next day.

 

I watched much of it and heard a lot about Russia, Russia, Russia.

 

I had it on yesterday live. All. day. looonnnnngggggg.

If Nadler wanted a "live audience" with people who have the patience to watch a highly-repetitive exchange of "He's guilty. He's not guilty," then last night would have been the time to take a vote. The middle of drive-time traffic this morning probably wasn't the best timing.

 

Waste of time. Get in a room and plan a course of action for 2024. 2020 shows the Democrats have no plan nor do they see their flaws that the voters see.

 

You claimed "A plurality of the American Public supports the removal of Trump", but the RealClearPolitics" poll (which you once relied on) disagrees.

Good luck to the moderate Dems who vote to impeach, hope they rented instead of bought.

 

It is a foregone conclusion with the dem clown show in charge of the house. What will be interesting is how many democrats will jump ship.

 

Not even Pelosi claims any more then about 200 bills. They must be all party line bogus bills of no relevance. Name a dozen or so of these phantom bills that have made major news. Name some that the Senate hasn't laughed at for good cause. The only bills of any relevance congress has passed are stop gap spending bills. They did just pass a bill to give themselves 12 or is it 16 weeks of paid leave just recently. That hasn't made it through the Senate either so stop counting bogus bill like that one.

It is common knowledge that democrats in congress are famous for one thing and one thing only and that is resisting and obstruction. Since taking control of the House, dems have done nothing but focus on illegitimate impeachment that all but guarantees Trump reelection. Thanks for that but he didn't need their help.

The only reason Pelosi is now claiming a victory on Trumps signature rework of NAFTA with the name Trump gave it, USMCA is because she had no other choice. Your ranks are becoming very restless with that fact that impeachment is not what they came to congress for. They now have to explain to their constituent's why even CNN has declared impeachment as a win for Trump and why they have no accomplishments since being elected in 2018.