WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings

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  1. Egoboy

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    It's neither... it's an impeachable offense...
     
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    1. Allegedly directed by Obama.
    2. Doesn't comport with number one.
     
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    Biden's corruption is obvious and admitted on the record. Everyone involved should have been called before a grand jury long ago.
     
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    This is a perfectly valid reason to withhold aid.
     
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    Yet he used it to stop an investigation into Burisma.
     
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    1. Yes because the loan from treasury stipulates those conditions
    2. It was implied to Ukraine by multiple people including Guiliani and Sondland
     
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    Seems like a big deal that Ukraine Ambassador Taylor just testified that the Ukrainians themselves had no knowledge of a hold on military aid until the politico article (August 29), which was after Trump's phone call.

    Remember this is all about a quid pro quo phone call according to the whistleblower.
     
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    No he didn’t.
     
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    Looking at pencil neck, one would say that he enjoys the public light. Let's see what tomorrow's bring :)
     
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    Prof. Dershowitz has looked at all applicable laws, and disagrees with you.
     
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    If there is any evidence of Trump's political rival being corruption, why have the vast investigative and law enforcement resources of the Trump regime, Ukraine, and China found none?
     
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    They are not credible witnesses. IMO, they were not well prepared - their testimony was a flop.
     
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    From what I've seen so far Democrats main arguments are National Security and using Congressial approved aid. National Security arguments problem is the aid in the prior administration was less than what this administration has given(lethal aide). The problem with using Congressial approved aid is Biden did the same to oust a prosecutor.

    Weird question I have about the last prosecutor being removed, Taylor and Kent told us he was corrupt but they also said the entire country was corrupt so why single out the prosecutor for doing what everyone in Ukraine was doing? Seems like there is more to that story
     
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    Read the treaty.
    It doesn't just apply to open investigations.

    Besides, there could be one.
     
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    Well, I certainly hope he keeps this up. :)
     
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    I am interested also, I am usually fairly center left but absolutely hate trump because of his rhetoric and character so my opinion is less than impartial. Most people I know are staying the course with their ideology — republicans are saying its a sham and democrats are saying impeach.
     
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    To their knowledge. Others will almost certainly testify that Ukraine was aware of the hold much sooner. And there is the potential that others, like Giuliani, if allowed to testify, could testify that he told about that information much sooner.

    It should also be noted that the military aid was only one of the points of leverage used by the Trump administration to pressure Ukraine into announcing that investigation.
     
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    I’m confident it doesn’t allow the president to blackmail an ally to get their aid
     
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    He's a huge lair!

    BTW, he was standing next to one of the biggest ****ing liars on the planet during a press conference. You seem to believe that he was under oath and could speak freely at that moment in time. That's a big *LOL*.
     
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    Oh my, now you can tell the future eh and still calling Zelinsky a liar. Fascinating.
     
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    Ignored for circular argument.
     
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    That concurs with most of what i have read from their previous testimony. Far different from how it's portrayed in the media.
     
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    Yep, you agree with the dem clown show that Zelinsky is a liar, without any proof.
     
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