WATCH: Phoenix Cops Kill Man after Responding to Noise Complaint over Video Game

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Destroyer of illusions, Aug 8, 2020.

  1. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No it doesn't, the police must be treated differently because we expect them to deal with stuff others do not. There is no case here, any jury would only be allowed to see the cover officer's viewpoint and from that he acted correctly.
     
  2. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    One of us is WRONG and it is NOT me in this regard.
     
    MJ Davies likes this.
  3. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Complete and utter bovine excrement again!

    The cops are NOT above the Law of the Land!

    This KILLER cop effed up and now someone is DEAD and JUSTICE must be done.

    COVERING up this MURDER would DENY justice to the VICTIM and his family and the entire community.

    One KILLER cop should NOT have the power to UNDERMINE the Law of the Land.
     
    MJ Davies likes this.
  4. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It is and you know it, you never address the point of the cover officer's viewpoint.
     
  5. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No one is above the law but the police must always be given the benefit of the doubt. The officer acted correctly, it was the gunman who screwed up, answering the door to the police with a gun, not dropping it but moving it around the side of his body towards the contact officer. There is no 'cover up' the facts are plain for all to see.
     
  6. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    2,689
    Likes Received:
    2,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So, you contend that LEOs *should be* above the law? Seriously?
    Any jury will see both videos and there is no way a logical and reasonable person can conclude the shooting was justified. That's asinine.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  7. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, I said they should be treated differently, with empathy due to the nature of their task. The defence in this case will argue that the only facts that matter were those from the cover officer's point of view, that as he couldn't see things from the contact officer's viewpoint it would be unfair to enter it into the case and any judge would agree. Think of it as an ER doc giving a patient a life saving drug but he turns out to be allergic to it and that kills him. We would hold the Dr responsible for murder because there would be no way of them knowing the facts from their viewpoint.
     
  8. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is an outright FALSEHOOD!

    I have made multiple posts regarding his viewpoint!

    I have pointed out that he FAILED to follow standard procedure to CONTROL the situation in NUMEROUS prior posts.

    That you have STOOPED to outright falsehoods NEGATES your position entirely.
     
  9. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, I've stated the truth, you must only view things from his side, this was a life and death split second decision, he was clearly in the right. What falsehoods? What facts have I stated which are incorrect?
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2020
  10. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yet another blatant FALSEHOOD because the VIDEO and the PHOTO evidence PROVE that he dropped the gun.
     
  11. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not from the cover officer's point of view, what part of that do you not understand?
     
  12. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The KILLER cop MURDERED the UNARMED victim!

    You fallaciously alleged that the victim did NOT drop the gun.

    The VIDEO shows NO GUN in the victim's hand when he is MURDERED by the KILLER cop.

    The PHOTO shows the gun on the floor INSIDE the apartment where he dropped it BEFORE he was MURDERED.
     
  13. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No it doesn't, the cover officer's footage does not show that, it shows him moving the gun around the small of his back towards the contact officer. Point out to me where the cover officer sees him drop the gun?
     
  14. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    2,689
    Likes Received:
    2,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are suggesting they are treated with a different standard. That's what "above the law" means.
    A judge and/or jury would never ignore VITAL information like that.
    That is not a fair comparison because the doctor would not be overreacting to the situation. A doctor would be following procedure to give the life-saving drug to his/her patient. The cop that shot that man was NOT following procedure. I am a former LEO and I was never trained to shoot first. Maybe that approach is appropriate for military personnel during wartime but it has no place on the streets of America.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  15. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your position is NULL and VOID because you CANNOT make your case using ALL of the available EVIDENCE.

    There is NOTHING further to be gained by WASTING any more time on your DENIAL of the FACTUAL EVIDENCE that clearly shows the KILLER cop MURDERING the UNARMED victim.

    Have a nice day!
     
    MJ Davies likes this.
  16. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, it means you should have empathy with them, we demand them to do things other's won't so they should always be held to a different standard. The judge would not let the jury see this footage because it is irrelevant, it presumes the cover officer would somehow magically be able to see things from the contact officers point of view. These officers didn't overreact, they followed their training precisely. Where'd you get YOU training, if someone presents an immediate threat to life you don't let them get the first shot off, that's Hollywood nonsense.
     
  17. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, you can only watch the cover officer's viewpoint because that's the only info he had at the time, he cannot magically be expected to also see things from the contact officer's view.

    Running away are we? For crying out loud, have the courage of your convictions, just admit you're wrong, people would think better of you.
     
  18. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    YOU are the one RUNNING away from ALL of the EVIDENCE that you are too SCARED to deal with in a FORTHRIGHT manner.

    That demonstrates a lack of courage of your own convictions since all you have are Special Pleading Logical Fallacies instead.
     
  19. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Oh I'm not going anywhere, I'm your Huckleberry! The evidence from the cover officer's point of view justifies his actions, you CANNOT expect him to magically see things from the contact officer's point of view. He could only act from his viewpoint. How do you expect the cover officer to supernaturally know what the contact officer is seeing?
     
  20. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yet another asinine STRAWMAN!

    The KILLER cop FAILED to follow STANDARD PROCEDURE!

    That makes him CULPABLE for his MURDER of the UNARMED victim.

    FACTS matter!
     
  21. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes they do, that's why he followed standard procedure to the letter. Now explain to me how the cover officer was miraculously able to see things from the contact officer's viewpoint?
     
  22. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    2,689
    Likes Received:
    2,050
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Believe what you want to believe. Luckily, you won't be part of the investigation, if any, of this incident and/or there will be enough rational people to override your position on the matter. Your way of thinking is going to turn the country into the Wild West again.
     
    FoxHastings and Derideo_Te like this.
  23. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, I believe the facts. People just like me will be in charge of the investigation, thankfully. It was nutjob who answered the door to the police in his shorts with a gun in his hand who had the Wild West mentality, the officer acted correctly.
     
  24. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    43,276
    Likes Received:
    34,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    More bovine excrement that DISQUALIFIES your position.
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  25. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Stop trying to squirm away and answer my question, how was the cover officer supposed to miraculously be able to see things from the cover officer's viewpoint?
     

Share This Page