We have to Save South Africa!!!

AH - COME ON - dont get IRATE - GET REAL Where did I ever say you denied it ? - PLEASE .

Yes we learnt all abt William Wilberforce - and slavery throughout the Empire , not just Sth Africa, - many years ago - AT SCHOOL.

However you seem to ignore THAT Slavery had been abolished in Great Britain in 1772 by Lord Mansfield in R v Knowles, ex parte Somersett[2] and Britain had outlawed the slave trade with the Slave Trade Act in 1807, with penalties of £100 per slave levied on British captains found importing slaves (treaties signed with other nations expanded the scope of the trading ban). Wilbeforce was born in 1759 - He was only 13 yrs old when slavery was abolished in Britain, first step to total abolishment throughout the Empire. (confirmed by wiki)

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Malay(Indonesian) slaves brought from Dutch East Indies - NOT ALL Muslims ?

hMMM. - I find that hard to believe - have you ever been to the Cape and met any Cape Malays ? Do you NOT think that they also know THEIR OWN History ?



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i'M SORRY , I dont consider your sources to support your initial claim , which was - in your words :

Either come up with RELIABLE sTATISTICS or just it be.


African HOPE - I respect the fact that you're full of HOPE - but sadly my friend - lets face it, while you, for whatever reasons , might have HOPE , I'm more pissimistic about South Africa's future . One can but HOPE - the ANC dont take you all down the road of Mugabe's Zimbab-wa.

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Do you think you'd be enjoying your presnt lifestyle if it was'nt for earlier British adminstration ?

Do you think that land would have today be as it is , IF it was;nt for early European settlers and British administration ?

Where would your ancestors have gone ?


... Meanwhile , I sincerely wish you + yours remain safe, I'd rather spend my holidays in Spain + the Med , than endure a long flight to yr country. .


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I am denying that they are being murdered because of their race,

But then , for whatever reason, if you wish to DENY it , I doubt anyone or anything can change your mind. However , IMO - it doesnt really matter to the victims + THEIR FAMILIES , whether its coz of their race or NOT - DOES IT. ?

Have you tried convincing a any of your fellow South Africans to be blind to racial differences , How about "Affirmative action " ? Doesnt racial differences raised its ugly head ?


African HOPE - keep HOPEING that one day your" Rainbow" countrymen will truly become colour blind .


I doubt it but Good Luck .

 

Lol, if this is how the whites are in South Africa, they deserve it. Instead of Advocating for peace, you want more hatred.

 

Peace ? PEACE ? dont be silly , remember what happened to the Prince of Peace ?

 

A H sorry I did'nt have enough time to read your "News 24 " link. IN FULL - I admit I've never heard of "News 24 " who the fek are they ? some backwoods "News " office operating in south Africa ?

Did you read some of the comments from those who returned ? for example :

"Steven Gains - July 10, 2011 at 09:40

I was out of South Africa for 8 years. I am disgusted with myself for returning, so I am planning my exit, and this time I will only return to visit and for funerals within my immediate family.


Read the other comments from YOUR OWN link :

Guy Fawkes - July 11, 2011 at 02:49 Report comment

I live in Melbourne Australia since 2006, and am now an Australian citizen. The grass is way greener in Australia. The grass in South Africa has turned into "Khaki Bos". If you think the Graden Route is beautiful, try driving up the coast from Melbourne to Sydney. The garden Route pales into insignificance.


Amera - July 10, 2011 at 08:41

"for every one that wants to come back there are 1000 who want to leave. reasons, crime, political uncertainty!" I agree with Jack, so how do we leave?



So much for your foolish laughter.

But , hey no hard feelings, , O K ? .


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Since the last post on this thread - the situation in South Africa has deteriorated and is apparently condiderably worse.



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Lol, again a statement but no facts, same old story from you. And you defend yourself by just denying my sources - from SA's biggest media house, so yes lol, lol, and still lol.


AH

 

You seem to ignore - who's murdering who .

As far as I can tell very few Whites are murdered by other whites , most of the MUr
RDERING i of Whites and Blacks are done by Blacks, i.. your "many more Blacks are being murdered by other Blacks, is that NOT so ?




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Fact ? you want Facts ? O.K.

In Todays Sunday Times Mag there's an artincle by investigative journalist Dan McDougal entitled
"A Whiter Shade of Poor " unfortunately The Sunday Times is now subscription only ,however if you can , perhaps within a few days , get access to Dan McDougals site or sunday times subscription you'll be able to read what I've read today in hard copy.

But try this click on 4th i article down - "A Whiter Shade of Poor "

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/public/magazine/



On the other hand , if you'd rather not wish to consider anything other than yr own opions , then dont bother reading Dan McDougals article.


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several other cases and much more

tatty byeeee....

 

Africanhope, Marlowe suffers from a disconnect on these issues. He routinely champions the causes of the Palestinians who he claims are being treated as poorly as blacks under apartheid SA. He then goes on to bemoan the "genocide" of whites in the democracy that is SA today, ignoring the sufferring that black SAs endure. He thereby reveals his double standards.

 

Any facts on this one or will you tell me to google it myself?

 

I do NOT to feed Trolls .


tata.

 

For what its worth :

[video=youtube;jj84Sw1x2po]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj84Sw1x2po&feature=related[/video]

According to most reports , Conditions for Whites in South Africa are getting progressively worse.

Time will tell.


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Marlowe instead of googling you tube, you should look at statistics in the country generally, for poverty among blacks and whites and you will find that whites still own a very high proportional share of the wealth.

If the whites have it so bad in your view now, do you think it would have been best if democracy had never been introduced?

 

Marlowe if 95% of the population is black, does it not stand to reason that more blacks would be doing the killing and the dying? Duh!

 

I do NOT feed Trolls .



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So you do not have an answer to a simple question? Not a single argument?

You sure had plenty to say about my ethnicity, now you are suddenly very shy indeed.

 

Did you really use the other word for negro three times in your OP and expect anyone to back your racist stance?

 

A harsh condemnation indeed!

 

All this could be said about the USA.

 

Here you go - another lol. Your proof of things getting worse in SA is that there are now more poor Whites? In a time when jobs are no longer reserved for whites, there are more whites, that is your complaint? In a time of a global economic crisis, there are more poor whites, and thus SA is failing? Really. Oh dear, there are also more poor whites in USA, Greece and the UK right now, so what does that mean?
And I do read the Sunday Times, thank you. And the Sunday Independent, and the Sunday Tribune and every now and then when I can stomach it Die Sondag Rapport.

And to a few other misplaced ideas in this thread, blacks are not 95% of the population. Whites are killing other whites, and whites are killing blacks, and blacks are killing blacks, and blacks are killing whites. I say it again - we have a massive crime problem, and ALL South Africans suffer through it, this is backed up by the stats.

So try and use facts.

Thank you

AH

 

Me , complaining ? NAH! just posting facts as reported by Dan McDougal + others. Facts which are NOT glossed over and desparate situations of a people largely ignored . coz it'll be politically incorrect to mention their plight.

Smokescreen -+ deflection tactics ?

I didnt ask how many Sunday Newspaers you read , its irrelevent . unless anything you've read contradicts McDougal's report.

Comparisons with USA - Greece /UK is equally daft , there populations are much higher than South Africa's white minority, unless you condone reversal racist discrimination.

Re Sth Africa's " massive crime problem," . Instead of argueing with me , perhaps you should voice your opinion to whichever Media you think has the most influence in yr country' and take a close look at the root causes , breakdown of Law + Order , cronyism , bribery + corruption within your governing ANC's incompetence , dismissing experienced White staff + replacing them with totally incapable friends + relatives to senior admin positions at inflated salaries .

If you've NOT yet read Dan McDougal's article, then I suggest you do so , before objecting to something you've NOT read.


Totsiens .


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africanhope,


Do you see nothing wrong in so-called "Affirmative Action " ? where a qualified employee with proven administrative experience - is dismissed, and the vacant position is then filled by an inexperienced/unqualified /inept person purely due to he/she having the now prefered fashionable - skin colour ?


How long do you think it'll take your government to emulate /imitate Mugabe's Zimbabwe ?

 

Most "Americans" supported the NEO-CONs' destruction of Katanga, Rhodesia, and South Africa just like they slobber and get patriotic over their victims in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and now Syria to name a few.

In one report about USA "justice" in South Africa where 2 women were tortured to death, " despite the fact that the Lotter home was only one block away from the police station, no-one responded to the screams from these women while they were being slowly tortured to death." http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2009/04/odendaalsrust-law-court-scene-of-angry.html

Such things are coming to the USA too especially to 2nd Coming, war crazy, Armageddon end of the world so called Christians.
The Lord of Christians has already destroyed many Christian churches in America with tornadoes.


“ the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud (Isaiah 19:1)

a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. (Jeremiah 23:19)

the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury (Jeremiah 30:23)


the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind (Nahum 1:3)

ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. “ (Proverbs 1:24-31)

 

To an extent, yes, although we're not as far in that direction as South Africa.